Tyson Fury is an overrated awkward boxer who's opportunistic

[Richard]

And had AJ had more experience he would have ended the Klitschko fight in the 5th round ? Wlad has lost in his 20”s and 30”s ,dropped multiple times .

The excuses of age is a bit ridiculous because it doesn’t mean much if a fighter comes at his best,I’ve watched Klitschko for decades and haven’t seen him box like that and he still almost lost early in that one . Stylistically AJ would have the upper hand in that one as well, Wlad never liked pressure fighters .

Your body wont be the same at 40 like it is at 30 whatever you way you look at it but granted fighters can minimise the ageing process the better they look after themselves.

Hence Wlad may of fought a good fight against Joshua eg in your words the best you have seen him but that was because he was motivated for it.Hence sport is more mental than physical.Had he hypothetically fought when in his prime the physical margins would have probably favoured him eg a 6 % increase in conditioning and the outcome would have been different.Hence fine margins at the top are the difference between winning and loosing.

[Derranged]

He's got pretty decent skills and movement for a guy his size. But overall I don't think he's anything special.

[BangEM]

The ones that are saying that Fury is naturally more gifted though are George Groves , Roy Jones Jr and Daniel Dubois amongst others. Highly competent boxers who have been there and done it and are doing it.Hence do you genuinely think Joshua is naturally more gifted than Fury.For me no.Fury looks the more naturally skilled.

Wlad was past 40 when he fought Joshua.Way past his prime.Had he been in his prime 35 years or under I think the result would have been different.

The Wlad Fury fought who was uninspired was almost 40 and Fury didn’t throw more than 40 punches in the fight. So how come he gets credit for that win but Josh can’t get credit for his? Wilder fought 59-yr old Ortiz who’s a glorified journeyman but people act like he beat an ATG. If Wlad was done, why didn’t Fury honour the rematch and why didn’t Wilder fight him?

If he had been 20 and AJ had been more experienced not to punch himself out after scoring the knockdown - AJ would’ve won in a more one-sided fashion. The only mistake he made was punching himself out after the knockdown and Wlad capitalised.

[Richard]

The Wlad Fury fought who was uninspired was almost 40 and Fury didn’t throw more than 40 punches in the fight. So how come he gets credit for that win but Josh can’t get credit for his? Wilder fought 59-yr old Ortiz who’s a glorified journeyman but people act like he beat an ATG. If Wlad was done, why didn’t Fury honour the rematch and why didn’t Wilder fight him?

If he had been 20 and AJ had been more experienced not to punch himself out after scoring the knockdown - AJ would’ve won in a more one-sided fashion. The only mistake he made was punching himself out after the knockdown and Wlad capitalised.

I think Fury got a lot of credit for beating Wlad compared to Joshua as Wlad was younger when he fought Fury albeit slightly.

Ortiz though I feel is a skilled technician albeit a older one who started late in boxing .What probably didnt help him was the political climate in Cuba where athletes I think have to defect to the USA to make it professional due to Fidel Castro banning professional boxing in 1962.

As for a prime Wlad against a prime Joshua we will never know for sure what would have happened but I still feel the result would have been different or much closer.

[BangEM]

I think Fury got a lot of credit for beating Wlad compared to Joshua as Wlad was younger when he fought Fury albeit slightly.

Ortiz though I feel is a skilled technician albeit a older one who started late in boxing .What probably didnt help him was the political climate in Cuba where athletes I think have to defect to the USA to make it professional due to Fidel Castro banning professional boxing in 1962.

As for a prime Wlad against a prime Joshua we will never know for sure what would have happened but I still feel the result would have been different or much closer.

He was almost the same age and didn’t take any punishment against Fury. Fury just won because he was more active in the most boring fight in history. I don’t think that snorefest has any replay value whatsoever.

Ortiz was NEVER a great amateur in Cuba and he never qualified for any major amateur competition. Ortiz got his hype the same way Wilder got his. But he’s not a technician. The guy struggled against Allen who isn’t even British level. White Rhino is a southern area level at best.

[MoneyKasha]

From a technical standpoint yes, he quite clearly is.
His 5 year reign contained four true contests against two opponents. He struggled badly in all of them.

Take nothing away from Fury, he's at the top of the division for the second time and all credit to him but let's not pretend that Wilder was some legendary champion.

even Fury said Wilder was like the easiest fight he has ever done

[Silkpajamas]

It’s what is effective that counts. The Wlad fight was sloppy but he defeated a fighter nobody could for a long time, soundly. Then he put on an exciting fight against wilder in both times. It may not be your classic combos With precise crosses but they land and apparently do enough harm to deter/stop world champs.

[Cobra Curry]

You have a point but Joshua was no novice like Daniel Dubois is now.Hence Joshua was in his late 20s when he fought Wlad.

I still feel a prime Wlad would have beaten Joshua.The one that fills me with excitement though is Daniel Dubois. I have a feeling he may be better than Joshua.

No problem with anyone thinking a prime Wlad wins but for me, a guy with 18 fights is still green. He was in late 20's but like Wilder he started late.

[Luilun]

I have never seen a boxer who has boxed all his life throw ugly/clumsy combinations like Fury, yet some idiots think this guy is the most skilled tosser on the planet.

The bubble will get pierced when he gets flattened by AJ. LMAO.

I said the same thing about Wilder and the truth is now out for all to see.

Stick to Pocket Pool you have no knowledge of boxing

[Richard Hamilton]

That is because you do not understand what you are watching. You don't even know what good technique is because you have never boxed. You do not spot the reasons for certain tactics and movements, this is because you have no understanding of the sport from the technical and tactical point of view.