Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Fury-Wilder Mania, Joshua, Breland, More

[CaptainWalrus]

What is with all the bias nonsense? What are you referring to in these articles?

[CaptainWalrus]

He's right about Andre Ward becoming one of the best analysts/commentators. I could listen to Kellerman and Ward all day talk boxing. Miss Jim Lampley and Larry Merchant.

[CaptainWalrus]

Good paragraph on dirty boxing. VIP!

[Nash out]

Point it out. I do not get?

From my perspective for as good as Fury is, he doesn’t look great in showcase fights. Think about it. He struggled vs Wallin. Going into the Klitshcko fight, no one thought he would win. He just doesn’t light the world on fire because he’s not overly dynamic in one area except for his Mind and IQ. That shows vs elite competition.

I'M USING CAPITALS FOR WHEN IT'S ME, AND NOT FOR WHEN IT'S THE ARTICLE. THE ABOVE SHOWS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING TO ME. IT'S NOT ABOUT FURY NOT IMPRESSING IN CERTAIN FIGHTS BECAUSE HE IS NOT DYNAMIC, IT PURELY A MOTIVATIONAL THING, IF FURY ISN'T FULLY UP FOR THE FIGHT, HE OFTEN PERFORMS NOWHERE NEAR HIS BEST. HE HAS TO FEEL THERE IS A THREAT INFRONT OF HIM.

Fury definitely fought dirty. Fury not only hit Wilder with shots on the side and back of the head. What I thought was a bigger factor was Fury in the clinches. He was literally CHOKING Wilder. Now when a person is choked, oxygen is being CUT OFF to the brain. That’s the similar to what happens when you get KOD. So Fury was choking him, then after they were broken up he would go back to punching him in the head.

I just saw the gloves video. A fighter in the gym was showing me a video of Fury’s gloves sort of flopping. It looked like they weren’t pulled down tight on his fist from the video. But this is the internet. People can do tricks and make all sorts of things look a certain way. I just don’t know what to think but I’m not going to discredit his victory and mention him with Margarito. That’s not fair. It may be nothing. Fury is a guy who doesn’t lock his wrist on every punch. He sort of flings his shots sometimes. At times there can be a simple explanation at times but people love the sexy story. Let someone very smart do research and an investigation before we go crazy about this.

THE LAST PART ABOUT THE GLOVES SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN INCLUDED HERE. IT'S SUGGESTIVE AND TOTAL B.S. LIKE WILDER'S EXCUSES.

IT SEEMS TO BE THAT BREADMAN THOUGHT AND WANTED WILDER TO WIN, AND HE'S ONLY WILLING TO GIVE FURY CREDIT, IF IT GOES ALONG WITH MANY SLY INSULTS AND SUGGESTIVE B.S. FURY SCHOOLED WILDER BECAUSE HE IS BETTER IN EVERY DEPARTMENT EXCEPT FOR WILDER'S FREAKISHLY POWERFUL RIGHT HAND. HE IMPLETENTED THE GAMEPLAN AND EXECUTED IT TO PERFECTION. HE WILL ALSO MOP THE FLOOR WITH JOSHUA JUST AS EASILY, OR EVEN EASIER.

[CaptainWalrus]

From my perspective for as good as Fury is, he doesn’t look great in showcase fights. Think about it. He struggled vs Wallin. Going into the Klitshcko fight, no one thought he would win. He just doesn’t light the world on fire because he’s not overly dynamic in one area except for his Mind and IQ. That shows vs elite competition.

I'M USING CAPITALS FOR WHEN IT'S ME, AND NOT FOR WHEN IT'S THE ARTICLE. THE ABOVE SHOWS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING TO ME. IT'S NOT ABOUT FURY NOT IMPRESSING IN CERTAIN FIGHTS BECAUSE HE IS NOT DYNAMIC, IT PURELY A MOTIVATIONAL THING, IF FURY ISN'T FULLY UP FOR THE FIGHT, HE OFTEN PERFORMS NOWHERE NEAR HIS BEST. HE HAS TO FEEL THERE IS A THREAT INFRONT OF HIM.

Fury definitely fought dirty. Fury not only hit Wilder with shots on the side and back of the head. What I thought was a bigger factor was Fury in the clinches. He was literally CHOKING Wilder. Now when a person is choked, oxygen is being CUT OFF to the brain. That’s the similar to what happens when you get KOD. So Fury was choking him, then after they were broken up he would go back to punching him in the head.

I just saw the gloves video. A fighter in the gym was showing me a video of Fury’s gloves sort of flopping. It looked like they weren’t pulled down tight on his fist from the video. But this is the internet. People can do tricks and make all sorts of things look a certain way. I just don’t know what to think but I’m not going to discredit his victory and mention him with Margarito. That’s not fair. It may be nothing. Fury is a guy who doesn’t lock his wrist on every punch. He sort of flings his shots sometimes. At times there can be a simple explanation at times but people love the sexy story. Let someone very smart do research and an investigation before we go crazy about this.

THE LAST PART ABOUT THE GLOVES SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN INCLUDED HERE. IT'S SUGGESTIVE AND TOTAL B.S. LIKE WILDER'S EXCUSES.

IT SEEMS TO BE THAT BREADMAN THOUGHT AND WANTED WILDER TO WIN, AND HE'S ONLY WILLING TO GIVE FURY CREDIT, IF IT GOES ALONG WITH MANY SLY INSULTS AND SUGGESTIVE B.S. FURY SCHOOLED WILDER BECAUSE HE IS BETTER IN EVERY DEPARTMENT EXCEPT FOR WILDER'S FREAKISHLY POWERFUL RIGHT HAND. HE IMPLETENTED THE GAMEPLAN AND EXECUTED IT TO PERFECTION. HE WILL ALSO MOP THE FLOOR WITH JOSHUA JUST AS EASILY, OR EVEN EASIER.

Thanks for response. I just don't see the bias! He was asked about the gloves so he told us it looks odd but don't get too excited over Margarito-gate. The dirty boxing tactics used that Bread describes is giving Fury praise. He was impressed by Fury big time!

[The D3vil]

100% disagree with Wilder deserving a rematch. Losing 17 rounds out of 19 rounds in two fights with Fury, losing every round to a 50 year old Ortiz in 2 fights you call deserving?? I'd be very surprised to hear you say the same about any other fighter with this losing history..

Come on, Fury didn't win 10 out 12 rounds in the first fight. 8 maybe 9 at most.

And Wilder almost universally (among writers & experts) won the 2nd round in the 2nd fight

Also, Wilder's not a boxer where it matters how many rounds he loses.

Teddy Atlas always compares Wilder to Rocky Marciano, who was also a crude slugger who often fell behind in fights before knocking guys off late.

Hell, Joe Louis lost damn near every round to Billy Conn before knocking him out in the very last round.

Wilder's still the most dangerous puncher in the sport regardless if he can be outboxed by the best boxer in the division.

What is with all the bias nonsense? What are you referring to in these articles?

Thanks for response. I just don't see the bias! He was asked about the gloves so he told us it looks odd but don't get too excited over Margarito-gate. The dirty boxing tactics used that Bread describes is giving Fury praise. He was impressed by Fury big time!

These guys are anti-Black. Simple as that.

No matter how much Bread praises white or latin or asian boxers it will never be enough for these dudes, who just don't know how to react to a Black man who's not an Uncle Tom & keeps it real

[Fat_asian]

- Why does Mike Tyson have to automatically support Wilder because they're both black? Boxing shouldn't be so divided over colour. Tyson is free to support whoever he wants.

- Wilder has done nothing to show he is deserving of a rematch and I personally dont want to see part 3, everyone wants Fury vs AJ, but Wilder can still win

- Tyson has two excellent wins vs Klitschko and Wilder but his resume is still thin, talk of him being an ATG is extremely premature. He hasn't defended a belt yet and hasn't fought a top 10 contender outside of those two. He stiil has much to prove and can't be considered the best until he fighs AJ, who has fought numerous top 10 guys AND bounced back from a terrible defeat to silence his critics

I agree to that man, I couldn't say it but eloquent you could!

[Tutsa]

Wilder has terrible defense skills not just in fighting but also clinching. Stop lowering your body/dipping everytime they got close so Tyson just put all his weight on DW. It’s such a big man movie WK used it on smaller guys to . Choking me someone you would need two hands or arms around the neck to apply pressure not cause his neck was under his armpit , that’s crazy !! All TF did was put his weight on him cause DW allowed it instead of boxing and moving .

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Always Hating
Why you never miss Breadman's articles?
#trollAlert

Bread has GREAT historical insight so I like tuning in for the that. Somehow he always finds a way to slip his racist propaganda in where he boasts the black man and belittles everyone else.

It's no different than white nationalism which is also unacceptable.

I dont fuck with Breadman. This is the same guy who said Julian Williams win over Jarret Hurd was one of the best wins since the 1980's, the same guy who said RJJ is the best fighter hes ever seen - despite the fact RJJ literally tested (+) for PEDs and was linked to BALCO...and the attributes that made RJJ were physical: speed, power, stamina...the specific things PEDs improve...great insight BlackBreadMan.

Bread also write a short column about being disappointed not winning BWAA TOTY...and Julian Williams - his only fighter - has been KTFO twice...once to an unimpressive champion and another to a nearly journeyman level fighter. Yeah...TOTY...

And my favorite fighter of all time is Floyd. His shenanigans outside the wrong were/are ****** but his dedication and training were always among if not TBE. Floyd is not TBE however but is probably Top 10 EVER. What a fighter.

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I feel like he's genuinely unbiased when discussing fighters and trainers that he's not involved with. No hating from me here

Breadman works for boxingscene.com and this website is OWNED by Showtime/CBS.

Showtime/CBS/Fox work exclusively with PBC fighters...and theres no "bias".

"He was literally CHOKING Wilder. Now when a person is choked, oxygen is being CUT OFF to the brain. That’s the similar to what happens when you get KOD. So Fury was choking him, then after they were broken up he would go back to punching him in the head. I will rarely criticize a corner. It’s the hardest and most thankless job in all of sports coaching. But if Wilder’s corner didn’t say anything to the ref, they should have. Being choked out is serious. But honestly man I don’t like to make excuses. If I’m Fury I keep doing what I’m doing until the ref stops me."

This is some black pride black panther complete NONSENSE. You cant CHOKE someone while wearing two GLOVES on your HANDS.

And if Fury kept trying to CHOKE Wilder why didnt Wilder try to HIT Fury to STOP the CHOKING??

LMFAOOOO