honestly this Fury smokes prime vitaly

[-Kev-]

Not being a hater at all
I just don’t see it
I believe this class of heavyweight is very weak
That is why Wilder has had the success he’s had
Yes Fury is decent but against what kind of opposition
I made a thread about how so many people came out of the woodworks to say Fury can now be called a atg , so does that mean all those people viewed Wilder as this good enough boxer to catapult Fury
Not sure if you get what I’m saying but there’s are to many holes in this story to hold forth

This coming from no fan of the three ; AJ , Fury or Wilder

I just don’t think Vitali has ever fought anyone like Fury. The closest fighter Vitali fought that was a “big man who can box” was Lennox Lewis, who was 6’5”, and 83” reach and Lennox won. Vitali, at 6’7” was sort of his day’s Fury. A skilled giant who can move very well for his size and put boxing fundamentals before KO’s (although the KO’s naturally came regardless).

And he finally met another relatively big man who can box and had good power and he lost. Everyone will have their opinion on how he lost, but he lost, he got his face all cut up via punches, and lost the boxing match. Vitali was really a never before seen HW at the time, being that big, having that good a chin, and that skilled, plus powerful. The era before him were 6’2”-6’4”, who made the era of the 5’10”- 6’ 1” HW’s go extinct.

Boxing at the HW level historically seems to be about height, reach, size and what skill you have for your size. Does the taller man ALWAYS win? No, we’ve seen that proven wrong a bunch of times but if you’re bigger, you might have a good shot against the taller man, e.g. AJ vs Ruiz 20+ lb difference (hindsight I know but just an example).

Ali being a tall, great mover, dominated HW with his skills, reach, and height in an era where HW’s were still not that tall yet. Of course along came a giant like Foreman and Ali beat him which is one of the reasons Ali is called The Greatest. But Ali is the exception, not the rule. I fully believe weight, height, reach matters at the HW level (and having good skill for your size) more than any other weight class.

[Sparked_26]

Would be a close one.

I think Fury lives with any heavyweight you want to name. Guy is 6’9, with good boxing skills, a reliable 12 round engine, good powers of recovery, and 270 odd pounds of weight on him.

It’s disrespectful to the old timers to say he beats them but at the same time it’s just as disrespectful as the poster who will appear any time now and say Joe Frazier smokes Fury in 2 rounds.

[MulaKO]

I just don’t think Vitali has ever fought anyone like Fury. The closest fighter Vitali fought that was a “big man who can box” was Lennox Lewis, who was 6’5”, and 83” reach and Lennox won. Vitali, at 6’7” was sort of his day’s Fury. A skilled giant who can move very well for his size and put boxing fundamentals before KO’s (although the KO’s naturally came regardless).

And he finally met another relatively big man who can box and had good power and he lost. Everyone will have their opinion on how he lost, but he lost, he got his face all cut up via punches, and lost the boxing match. Vitali was really a never before seen HW at the time, being that big, having that good a chin, and that skilled, plus powerful. The era before him were 6’2”-6’4”, who made the era of the 5’10”- 6’ 1” HW’s go extinct.

Boxing at the HW level historically seems to be about height, reach, size and what skill you have for your size. Does the taller man ALWAYS win? No, we’ve seen that proven wrong a bunch of times but if you’re bigger, you might have a good shot against the taller man, e.g. AJ vs Ruiz 20+ lb difference (hindsight I know but just an example).

Ali being a tall, great mover, dominated HW with his skills, reach, and height in an era where HW’s were still not that tall yet. Of course along came a giant like Foreman and Ali beat him which is one of the reasons Ali is called The Greatest. But Ali is the exception, not the rule. I fully believe weight, height, reach matters at the HW level (and having good skill for your size) more than any other weight class.

I see what your getting at and it would be hard to disagree with your reasoning
But if you have a fighter who has some kind of ring iq meaning a little defence that can nullify all those aspects
Not saying it would be easy but I just see ( not saying you ) many people looking at this from Wilders point of view so to say
Fury looked great cause Wilder has no defence
Ffs he had a hard time trying to hold on , wasn’t capable of holding cause didn’t know how to
Fury would just toss him around and back to receiving shots
Hey maybe your right but I just don’t see it
Easier said than done

[elfag]

Vitali doenst fold under pressure. He also has excellent stamina. Fury might be too fast and slick but Vitali keeps it competitive or beats Fury if he int at his best. Wallin Fury isnt beating Vitali.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I just don’t think Vitali has ever fought anyone like Fury. The closest fighter Vitali fought that was a “big man who can box” was Lennox Lewis, who was 6’5”, and 83” reach and Lennox won. Vitali, at 6’7” was sort of his day’s Fury. A skilled giant who can move very well for his size and put boxing fundamentals before KO’s (although the KO’s naturally came regardless).

And he finally met another relatively big man who can box and had good power and he lost. Everyone will have their opinion on how he lost, but he lost, he got his face all cut up via punches, and lost the boxing match. Vitali was really a never before seen HW at the time, being that big, having that good a chin, and that skilled, plus powerful. The era before him were 6’2”-6’4”, who made the era of the 5’10”- 6’ 1” HW’s go extinct.

Boxing at the HW level historically seems to be about height, reach, size and what skill you have for your size. Does the taller man ALWAYS win? No, we’ve seen that proven wrong a bunch of times but if you’re bigger, you might have a good shot against the taller man, e.g. AJ vs Ruiz 20+ lb difference (hindsight I know but just an example).

Ali being a tall, great mover, dominated HW with his skills, reach, and height in an era where HW’s were still not that tall yet. Of course along came a giant like Foreman and Ali beat him which is one of the reasons Ali is called The Greatest. But Ali is the exception, not the rule. I fully believe weight, height, reach matters at the HW level (and having good skill for your size) more than any other weight class.

Good posts, bro. I’m with you 100%. Fury is, by virtue of his size and ability, a special fighter. I’m not trying to say he’s as good as Ali, but it’s almost mind-blowing to see a man that size move in similar fashion. It didn’t surprise me when someone at ESPN.com put together a short vid showing the parallels between them.

What you said about the evolution of the heavyweight division is a good observation. These guys keep getting bigger, and the biggest among them keep getting better. I still think Ali and Louis were the greatest — depending on the day I’ll have either at the number one spot — but it’s becoming impossible to see the smaller men beating the modern-day giants.

Far as I can tell, Fury is lacking only one thing: power. And even that isn’t really lacking. His sheer size means that if he sits down on his punches, he makes himself felt. It’s good enough. Beyond that, the guy is articulate, colorful and charismatic. He’s great for the sport. I think we have a real king on our hands, not just a “Gypsy King.”

[BangEM]

Vitali is the 2nd most overrated boxer apart from Wilder in the last 15 yrs. He didn't beat anyone and he was a very crude boxer. Fury is also slightly overrated and he's not as skilled as people claim he's - he just moves well for his size. Fury throws combinations like an idiot but his boxing IQ is very high.

I'd give Fury the edge tho. Vitali is the reason why I don't rate Hrgovic since he's the poor man's Vitali.