Wilder was not "exposed".

[PAC-BOY]

Sweet. Now we can talk civil. I was just saying that marquez was the one that showed Pacquiao has trouble with counter punchers. OBVIOUSLY Pac is so good no one could capitalize on it, but that is a pac weakness

Honestly JMM is one of the best counter punchers in the game. Always has been. And all their fights have been mirror fights. Close but JMM didn't do enough to win them. He didnt just practice countering Manny is my point. Hes been known for that ability. Manny can adjust to any fight really. Only fighters who run and hold give Manny issues. JMM was not that. Anf that punch was a great punch and IMO a lucky shot. Im not buying they worked on it endlessly for that fight. He had 4 fights to get to Manny.

[KillaMane26]

Honestly JMM is one of the best counter punchers in the game. Always has been. And all their fights have been mirror fights. Close but JMM didn't do enough to win them. He didnt just practice countering Manny is my point. Hes been known for that ability. Manny can adjust to any fight really. Only fighters who run and hold give Manny issues. JMM was not that. Anf that punch was a great punch and IMO a lucky shot. Im not buying they worked on it endlessly for that fight. He had 4 fights to get to Manny.

The 3rd fight Marquez won, and regardless of if he worked on it... He stepped back, planted his feet and knocked him tf out.

U confusing that punch with one of Garcia's ******ed left hooks lol.

Which still wouldnt be considered lucky.

GTFOH. Yall dudes decent posters till it comes to your fav. Fighters then logic goes out the fcking window

[PAC-BOY]

I thought Marquez won clearly.

I thought Pac actually won the 1st fight, the 2nd was a coin flip I can see 114-113 either way, Marquez outboxed him in the third though.

Intresting . I saw the 2nd fight more to Manny and 3rd fight was closer.

[PAC-BOY]

The 3rd fight Marquez won, and regardless of if he worked on it... He stepped back, planted his feet and knocked him tf out.

U confusing that punch with one of Garcia's ******ed left hooks lol.

Which still wouldnt be considered lucky.

GTFOH. Yall dudes decent posters till it comes to your fav. Fighters then logic goes out the fcking window

I just dont let the hate for a fighter justify my thoughts...like you and most do. I can call it a lucky punch. Because its actually what it was. Hes never did it in 4 fights until that one round. Not to mention hiring a roid expert bulking up...lets not sleep on that. Many things helped. But the main reason he landed that one shot was Manny. Manny ***ed up.

[PAC-BOY]

Oh yeah, anyone who had Marquez winning 2 & 3 is clearly a homer

When my opinion and the opinion of many ring side experts and judges are more the same than the small amount of people who think JMM really won i kinda tend to go wit the majority.

Thats like me saying Manny won the fight with Floyd. He didnt. But some would argue he did. And they being fans of Manny. Not one fan of Floyd is gonna say...I think Manny won. Would they? So i think he did lose. And so does the Majority.

As for JMM...only a small amount of haters or his fans really think JMM clearly won. Some are like its close but Manny edged it. Manny won and thats that lol And most also agree.

[KillaMane26]

I just dont let the hate for a fighter justify my thoughts...like you and most do. I can call it a lucky punch. Because its actually what it was. Hes never did it in 4 fights until that one round. Not to mention hiring a roid expert bulking up...lets not sleep on that. Many things helped. But the main reason he landed that one shot was Manny. Manny ***ed up.

Here u go.... Manny is one of my fav. Fighters when he got knocked out i was conflicted cuz i love both guys.

But yall Pac-fans think i hate him just cuz i give unbiased opinions. Anybody not emotional or can read knows i have been unbiased since being on here. I have talked shyt about every fighter i support. But yall never around when i do.

Give me my respect for being one of the few "tell it like it is" posters. Its 2020 sheesh lol

[nacho daddy]

That was a timed counter punch, which he worked on at the gym.

Stop it

marquez was juiced to the gills for that fight

[KillaMane26]

marquez was juiced to the gills for that fight

Thats a whole other discussion.......

[hugh grant]

Wilder boxing ability wasn't ever exposed as he found ko. He couldn't find ko against fury so his lack of boxing ability was exposed or taken advantage of

[D4RKW4T3R1]

Having scene both fight, I like you analogy. Wilder needs to focus on his inside punches and range. Not always looking for the big counter.