Will Wilder end up like Tavoris Cloud?

[deathofaclown]

If he goes into the Fury rematch, i think Fury ruins him.

If Wilder had a confidence builder and won as he usually does, then i still think he beats pretty much everyone not named Fury.

It’s funny how fighters are coming out saying “yeah, i’ve been saying all you need to do is push him back”. Easier said than done. None of the other fighters have the skill or coordination to do it in the way Fury did, they haven’t got IQ or the defence skill slip back into if needed when going forward at a puncher. When Wilder’s right hand lands or whistles past their ears, are they game enough to stick to the plan of trying to push him back? I don’t think so. They will start to fight cagey and be a static target while Wilder gets set.

Pretty much every other heavyweight will still be a sitting duck for Wilder’s right hand, if he gets confident again.

But i think Fury wrecks him again and Wilder will either retire, or become a shell of the fighter he was. He’ll have no confidence.

[NaijaD]

They just had to carefully match him up again, their cherrypick went wrong with Fury one, due to the KD in the first fight, they were given a false sense of security.

People will rewrite history and make it seem like Wilder went fishing for a challenge when he fought Fury the first time. The reality, as you stated, was that it was a Cherry pick gone horribly wrong. He almost pulled it off with the KD in the last round but ended up salvaging a draw, being the deluded fool he is he thought Fury getting up was a fluke and that next time he would surely get the KO.

This is a much bigger exposure and people are now asking questions....

“How did he get this far with just a right hand”

Leading to....

“Who was he fighting and were those guys any good?”

Someone posted an Antonio Tarver interview and it was brutally honest and probably the best interview I’ve seen regarding the fight outcome and Wilder’s performance.

[NaijaD]

And can we stop with the whole “Only Fury can beat him” statements. Yes he is the only one that HAS beat him but Wilder has not fought many quality fighters at all for us to be concluding that only Fury could beat him. You can't tell me that the only way to beat a 6'7 guy that can't box at all is to be bigger than him.

I’d understand if Wilder had beaten like 5/6 top 10 guys so we knew he was a very difficult puzzle to solve but he had been avoiding anyone with a pulse. The only pulse he wanted to face required blood pressure medication to keep going.

[Get em up]

Come on man, Tavoris Cloud wasn't a 1-dimensional slugger. Technically he was a good fighter who fell short when he stepped up to world class level. No shame in that if you ask me. We need to stop these keyboard warrior condescending threads.

Its disturbing how many people are talking down on Wilder. The thing is no matter what people are saying the dude apparently accomplished more in the sport than given credit for because people are talking about him SMH good or bad talking means they obviously have him on their mind and at the end of the day that's how he makes money is haters OR fans

[KillaMane26]

Cloud had decent boxing skills..... Idk wtf u talking about.

[Kaspa9t9]

Campillo made him look like one when they fought, and Campillo wasn't exactly world class level either. Campillo was there to be KO'd but instead he boxed his ears off so bad that Cloud's mother fainted when the decision was given to Cloud.

Cloud was a limited fighter with a punch, much like Wilder, so I think the comparison is valid.

Fair point, even though I don't wholly agree with the comparison.

For me Cloud was a good puncher/boxer, I wouldn't say he got to the level he was at purely based on his power. He did have some whits about him inside the ring and fundamentally, he was a good fighter.

Agree the point that where Wilder has reached in his career has a lot to do with his power. He was a technically flawed fighter from the start, but became very effective at what he knew, and knew how to land right against limited opponents. It was inevitable that he would eventually be found out.

I still hold the unpopular opinion that his power isn't AS devastating as it's made out to be. Yes he is a very hard puncher, but to claim he is one of the biggest punchers in history is quite laughable for me.

[Flo_Raiden]

Fair point, even though I don't wholly agree with the comparison.

For me Cloud was a good puncher/boxer, I wouldn't say he got to the level he was at purely based on his power. He did have some whits about him inside the ring and fundamentally, he was a good fighter.

Agree the point that where Wilder has reached in his career has a lot to do with his power. He was a technically flawed fighter from the start, but became very effective at what he knew, and knew how to land right against limited opponents. It was inevitable that he would eventually be found out.

I still hold the unpopular opinion that his power isn't AS devastating as it's made out to be. Yes he is a very hard puncher, but to claim he is one of the biggest punchers in history is quite laughable for me.

I never said he was the biggest puncher, I merely said that stylistically he was a puncher/slugger first than a technician. He was more of an accumulation type puncher who mostly looked good against mid-level fighters but couldn't handle the top tier fighters. I only made the comparison with Wilder because he was another limited fighter who had some hype for a short while before he got badly exposed and fell off the rails right after. Unlike Wilder though Cloud didn't have the one punch KO to help bail him out and he was easily dealt with. Wilder still has the power to get by but does he still have it in him to bounce back? We'd have to see how he does against the next guy he faces.

[Kaspa9t9]

I never said he was the biggest puncher, I merely said that stylistically he was a puncher/slugger first than a technician. He was more of an accumulation type puncher who mostly looked good against mid-level fighters but couldn't handle the top tier fighters. I only made the comparison with Wilder because he was another limited fighter who had some hype for a short while before he got badly exposed and fell off the rails right after. Unlike Wilder though Cloud didn't have the one punch KO to help bail him out and he was easily dealt with. Wilder still has the power to get by but does he still have it in him to bounce back? We'd have to see how he does against the next guy he faces.

I know you didn't say that. Just thought I'd mention it as it seems to be a popular belief and it's how his fights are marketed to fans.