Golovkin made all his supporters fools yet we still have some defending him.

[Citizen Koba]

you are full-of-shlt, I have given you plenty of detailed breakdowns pal... and they all seem to go over your head

remember that 309-page thread... ?

the 309-page thread that made you spastics look dumb as fk in hindsight?

I told you idiots that Canelo will be better/stronger at 160

how can you fools go from insisting that Canelo is killing himself to make 155.. to insisting that 160 will make no difference in his performance?

you are just a typical casual-fan... just like the other muppets

you are actually the worst kind of casual... the Pac>Golovkin kind

you see whatever you want/need to see

Yawn. get back to me when you think of something worth saying Scrappy.

[DreamFighter]

It's not that I just don't like your "fact", the issue is that it is neither relevant, nor historically accurate. First, there's the issue of relevance. Nowhere in any rule book is it mentioned that the manner of winning a belt has any consideration when defending said belt against another opponent. I've never seen any valid criticism
for a fighter beating a champion who was promoted. Case in point, can you show me where anyone has discredited Canelos victory over Golovkin on the grounds that GGG was elevated to WBC champion

ggg had won a title by then from lemieux, of course he was champion in deed by then. why u playing dumb on purpose pretending that didnt happen?

Secondly, it seems you have a Daniel Geale problem on two accounts. Firstly, Mr. Geale lost a fight in the ring in 2014 to Mr Golovkin, in which Mr Golovkin obtained

no he didnt, you have a problem with Geale in that you needed to lie again - GGG was awarded that title BEFORE he fought Geale.

or maybe you didnt lie, you just got it wrong twice in one post, fair play if thats the case, no hard feeling.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Yawn. get back to me when you think of something worth saying Scrappy.

aboutfkntime basically owned you bruh. If Canelo could hydrate past 165 at his 155 weights, don’t you think Athletes would ideally perform better without draining? The reality of the sport is that all boxers cut water. There’s a premature belief that all boxers do this to gain an advantage. It’s yes and no. First of all, there are different types, the ones whom drain to gain an advantage revolves on the type of fighter doing it, age, and class. Also, draining became culture because making weight isn’t easy in general. Fighters need to stay calibrated during fight week EACH day while their bodies want to go higher. It’s basically fighting dehydration and nutrition. Look at UFC fighters years back, average was 25lbs+. There could sort of reasons why. In boxing, the average is 10-15lbs for boxers.

The extreme are usually tall fighters 23lbs+. Look Chavez Jr. in his prime days 160. Perhaps the biggest Middleweight that I recall, bigger than Jacobs at 160. He was a household name, so HBO pretended to not want to know what he was taking or how they drained. Then again, many TOp Rank fights had shady drainage fights, take Alvarado vs Rios....25lbs.. Look at guys like Callum Smith, Zurdo Ramirez, David Benavidez. Those guys are easily 190lbs+ on fight night. JCC Sr. Even said he knows Zurdo was around 195lbs in the ring. Of course youth is the factor being able tolerate water drainage.

Ive said it before, as aboutfkntime, but there’s truth that if a fighter doesn’t have to sacrifice so much water, they will ideally be optimized to their true power. That’s why I said Canelo wouldn’t have to drain for 175lbs against Kovalev. Imagine if sprinters at the Olympics drained 10lbs before their race? How would they perform? It wouldn’t make sense for them to do. Draining affects performance. THat is fact. And again, boxing and matchmaking is simple as far as promotion, but there’s always a huge bill. It’s always been this way. To assure the fights go on and the fighters get PAID or no cancellation, the culture evolved to cut weight before the weigh ins as a safety for their own pay. These guys metabolisms are so jacked boxers can easily gain 10lbs in a day via meals let alone the water.

[Jubei]

GGG still the most talked about fighter of the decade. What a hero.

It's also extremely satisfying knowing that only the worst scum, the insecure, hateful, dumb as a rock bottomfeeders of this forum trash GGG.

[Curt Henning]

GGG still the most talked about fighter of the decade. What a hero.

It's also extremely satisfying knowing that only the worst scum, the insecure, hateful, dumb as a rock bottomfeeders of this forum trash GGG.

ya...but the guys who trash floyd,ward, canelo etc are all smart and successful in life right?! of course! lol

[GGG Gloveking]

ggg had won a title by then from lemieux, of course he was champion in deed by then. why u playing dumb on purpose pretending that didnt happen?



no he didnt, you have a problem with Geale in that you needed to lie again - GGG was awarded that title BEFORE he fought Geale.

or maybe you didnt lie, you just got it wrong twice in one post, fair play if thats the case, no hard feeling.

You failed to address my two main points. Firstly, there never has been any criticism over how a fighter won a belt when considering that fighter losing said belt in the ring. Secondly, you fail to address, and even go so far as to parse it out of your quote, the simple fact that Mr. Cotto fought Daniel Geale when Mr. Geale did not satisfy your demand.

Please address those.

[Boxing_1013]

of all the dumb shlt that you have said...

this DUMB SHlT was very close to the worst...




FACT: you CLEARLY have no idea how to score a professional boxing match lol

the official criteria is crystal clear regarding what sort of punches score in boxing...

* clean hard punching

you completely re-engineered the official scoring process in your earlier post

what a fkn MORON

Lol I addressed that 'libel' in my last post...stuff like that is why I have you blocked...one thing to debate...another to get nasty/excitable over nothing, and then to lie on top of that, just a waste

By the way, the 1st paragraph in that post you responded to was mine...the 2nd two paragraphs were copied from a professional judge who was explaining to the passionate but uninitiated (see: you) how to score fights...so that should humble and embarrass you a bit but nothing appears to...hey it's the internet after all so there is no shame really.

If you really insist on twisting around things in fights/rounds to try and justify your guy winning and the other guy losing, go for it man...no one is going to stop ya! If you ever want to just start scoring fights based on who is actually winning the rounds, well we welcome you to come along for that too!!

[Citizen Koba]

aboutfkntime basically owned you bruh. If Canelo could hydrate past 165 at his 155 weights, don’t you think Athletes would ideally perform better without draining? The reality of the sport is that all boxers cut water. There’s a premature belief that all boxers do this to gain an advantage. It’s yes and no. First of all, there are different types, the ones whom drain to gain an advantage revolves on the type of fighter doing it, age, and class. Also, draining became culture because making weight isn’t easy in general. Fighters need to stay calibrated during fight week EACH day while their bodies want to go higher. It’s basically fighting dehydration and nutrition. Look at UFC fighters years back, average was 25lbs+. There could sort of reasons why. In boxing, the average is 10-15lbs for boxers.

The extreme are usually tall fighters 23lbs+. Look Chavez Jr. in his prime days 160. Perhaps the biggest Middleweight that I recall, bigger than Jacobs at 160. He was a household name, so HBO pretended to not want to know what he was taking or how they drained. Then again, many TOp Rank fights had shady drainage fights, take Alvarado vs Rios....25lbs.. Look at guys like Callum Smith, Zurdo Ramirez, David Benavidez. Those guys are easily 190lbs+ on fight night. JCC Sr. Even said he knows Zurdo was around 195lbs in the ring. Of course youth is the factor being able tolerate water drainage.

Ive said it before, as aboutfkntime, but there’s truth that if a fighter doesn’t have to sacrifice so much water, they will ideally be optimized to their true power. That’s why I said Canelo wouldn’t have to drain for 175lbs against Kovalev. Imagine if sprinters at the Olympics drained 10lbs before their race? How would they perform? It wouldn’t make sense for them to do. Draining affects performance. THat is fact. And again, boxing and matchmaking is simple as far as promotion, but there’s always a huge bill. It’s always been this way. To assure the fights go on and the fighters get PAID or no cancellation, the culture evolved to cut weight before the weigh ins as a safety for their own pay. These guys metabolisms are so jacked boxers can easily gain 10lbs in a day via meals let alone the water.

Wtf are you talking about? Where have I even discussed weight cutting here? The dude brought that ish up out of the blue refering to an old thread that I only participated in sporadically (if we're even thinking of the same one) and if I know him at all he will have wilfully misunderstood anything I said anyway. Dude doesn't even refer to any comments I made anyway, just to a '309 page thread' in which he asserts he made fools of everyone but I expect just did his SOP of just pouring scorn anyone who disagreed with his inflammatory comments without proving anything except perhaps in his own head. Find some relevent comments that I've actually made on the issue and we'll discuss 'em if you like.

FWIW I'm substantially in agreement up to a point, less skilled fighters can gain an advantage over guys of a similar skill level by draining to come in much bigger in the ring, however in long run the extra bulk can't make up for significant deficiencies in skill or will. Furthermore not only is it likely to reduce longevity in the long term, the simple fact is that body becomes less able to tolerate the stresses resulting from severe dehyration and rehydration with age, so it's a strategy which can typically only be sustained effectively in younger fighters, giving diminishing returns into the late 20s and probably becoming as much a liability as anything once they reach 30 or so (which is one of the reasons you see so many fighters move up to their final weighclass around the age of 30 or so, then stay there for the remainder of their career - it ain't that they're actually coming to the ring bigger, just that they're able to drain less). Course, there are individual exceptions a plenty, but it's a decent rule of thumb.

[aboutfkntime]

GGG still the most talked about fighter of the decade. What a hero.

It's also extremely satisfying knowing that only the worst scum, the insecure, hateful, dumb as a rock bottomfeeders of this forum trash GGG.

he is not trash, he is a hypejob

[aboutfkntime]

Lol I addressed that 'libel' in my last post...stuff like that is why I have you blocked...one thing to debate...another to get nasty/excitable over nothing, and then to lie on top of that, just a waste

By the way, the 1st paragraph in that post you responded to was mine...the 2nd two paragraphs were copied from a professional judge who was explaining to the passionate but uninitiated (see: you) how to score fights...so that should humble an embarrass you a bit but nothing appears to...hey it's the internet after all so there is no shame really.

If you really insist on twisting around things in fights/rounds to try and justify your guy winning and the other guy losing, go for it man...no one is going to stop ya! If you ever want to just start scoring fights based on who is actually winning the rounds, well we welcome you to come along for that too!!

and yet, here you are LMAO

btw shlthead, I am not the guy who sports an unsubstantiated lie in his sig... YOU ARE

and I have pointed that out many times

you lying piece-of-shlt... you only put me on ignore immediately after you create a thread, because you don't want me to decimate it by pointing out your ******ity

clownboy, the profession judge that you keep quoting... was an official judge for the Canelo/Golovkin rematch...




... which makes you a special kind of dumb

for all of your ******ity, I quote you directly... and yes, I can provide links... unlike you

#linkless
#justanothercluelessfanboyliar