Rank Your Top 10 All-Time Heavyweights and Why...

[juggernaut666]

i think he would have beaten holyfield and lewis if given the chance. i dont think anybody in the late 90s or early 2000s could have beaten him. he was the blueprint of the perfect heavyweight.

You really just expose yourself daily on here don't you on how actual LITTLE you know about the sport ?Placing a guy with 20 fights and best wins were Tua, Byrd and Wilson ,no title defenses or anything to actually place him in an all time great conversation . I guess you walk into public sports bars etc and you hear his name brought up all the time right ? ? And as if that wasn't bad enough you place Ike at number 3 and don't understand why anyone with boxing knowledge mocks you . lol

[MiDKnighT]

1. Joe Louis - Obvious choice. He had the most consecutive title defenses of all time and world war 2 prevented him from making the record even more unobtainable. He did it in an era where there was one title belt.

2. Muhammad Ali - Ended up being the best fighter of the best era of heavyweights, won the heavyweight title three times during a time before it was easy to win a title.

3. George Foreman - would be the greatest heavyweight of all time if he had beaten Ali. Was a killer heavyweight champion in the best era of heavyweights and then won the lineal heavyweight championship in what is arguably the second best era of heavyweights at an advanced age.

4. Jack Johnson - It’s easy to imagine what he could have done if he fought in an era that was so dictated by race.

5. Rocky Marciano - 49-0 as a heavyweight with an underrated resume.

6. Jack Dempsey - reigned as heavyweight champion for 7 years and his one loss early in his career might have been fixed.

7. Gene Tunney - 65-1-1 record, defeated the one fighter who beat him multiple times and beat Jack Dempsey. He would be ranked much higher if he didn’t retire so soon after his win over Dempsey.

8. Larry Holmes - started 48-0 so he basically matched Marciano and made 20 consecutive title defenses.

9. Lennox Lewis - This is where things get really difficult to separate. I’ll go with Lewis here because he did eventually prevail as the undisputed champion when all the dust from the 90s cleared, even though it technically happened after the 90s. He also beat everyone he faced in his career.

10. Joe Frazier - I’m not mad at anyone who puts Tyson, Holyfield, Liston, Klitschko or anyone of the other great names in this spot. I’m going with Frazier because he beat everyone he faced except for George Foreman. His four losses only came to two men, Foreman and Ali. He also had a decently long reign as champion.

Much respect to that list. I admit I don't know enough about the pre-Joe Louis era guys.

[juggernaut666]

1. Ali .No need to go into it.

2. Louis . Fought at the most critical moment which was during WW2 and really refined skills with sharp accurate punching behind a jab for his time.

3. ( I know its not IKE ) but im going with Holmes for reinventing the jab and the title defenses record ,also fought into his got a few key wins in his 40's 50's had a few bad decisions .

4. Demspey . Was the first to use refined skills of defense and offense for his time and showed what aggressive counter punching could do . I should probably switch this with Tyson but I don't feel like going back . lol

5. Mike Tyson . Hes easily still the face of boxing and the first to come to mind with most when its brought up ,he has an advantage though having video games, cartoons and his own shows but many fans of Ali are still alive so he has multiple generations of them with current ones. No discussion usually comes up without him in head to head matches. It comes down to youngest champion in HW history ,that places him here.

6. Lewis . Defeated every man he fought and was the dominant era champion even if he took fights a bit late he was the big guy until Vitali showed up .

7. Wlad Klitchko . Close to setting record for most title defenses ,like Holmes he could win fights off a jab alone. Hardly lost rounds under steward and if you couldn't stun him you weren't going to win .

8 . Marciano . Only undefeated HW champion that alone puts him here no matter what the era was like.


9. Holyfield . Not just a CW but Hw champion and was 3/4 time champion ,overall maybe the most balanced fighter who are ATG's at the moment .


10. Foreman . Invented the Foreman grill and oldest HW champion .

[just the facts]

1. Joe Louis - Obvious choice. He had the most consecutive title defenses of all time and world war 2 prevented him from making the record even more unobtainable. He did it in an era where there was one title belt.

2. Muhammad Ali - Ended up being the best fighter of the best era of heavyweights, won the heavyweight title three times during a time before it was easy to win a title.

3. George Foreman - would be the greatest heavyweight of all time if he had beaten Ali. Was a killer heavyweight champion in the best era of heavyweights and then won the lineal heavyweight championship in what is arguably the second best era of heavyweights at an advanced age.

4. Jack Johnson - It’s easy to imagine what he could have done if he fought in an era that was so dictated by race.

5. Rocky Marciano - 49-0 as a heavyweight with an underrated resume.

6. Jack Dempsey - reigned as heavyweight champion for 7 years and his one loss early in his career might have been fixed.

7. Gene Tunney - 65-1-1 record, defeated the one fighter who beat him multiple times and beat Jack Dempsey. He would be ranked much higher if he didn’t retire so soon after his win over Dempsey.

8. Larry Holmes - started 48-0 so he basically matched Marciano and made 20 consecutive title defenses.

9. Lennox Lewis - This is where things get really difficult to separate. I’ll go with Lewis here because he did eventually prevail as the undisputed champion when all the dust from the 90s cleared, even though it technically happened after the 90s. He also beat everyone he faced in his career.

10. Joe Frazier - I’m not mad at anyone who puts Tyson, Holyfield, Liston, Klitschko or anyone of the other great names in this spot. I’m going with Frazier because he beat everyone he faced except for George Foreman. His four losses only came to two men, Foreman and Ali. He also had a decently long reign as champion.

Nice list and a sensible explanation for it. Look who’s capable of intelligent boxing conversation. Who knew? Beats your usual I hate everything posts.

[just the facts]

You really just expose yourself daily on here don't you on how actual LITTLE you know about the sport ?Placing a guy with 20 fights and best wins were Tua, Byrd and Wilson ,no title defenses or anything to actually place him in an all time great conversation . I guess you walk into public sports bars etc and you hear his name brought up all the time right ? ? And as if that wasn't bad enough you place Ike at number 3 and don't understand why anyone with boxing knowledge mocks you . lol

Gotta agree here. While Ike certainly passed the eye test you can’t put him top ten (let alone #3) all time on that alone. He just doesn’t have the wins (quantity or quality) to even be top 20.

[LetOutTheCage]

1. Ali nobody else comes close. People saying Joe Lewis, just look at their respective resumes. Ali fought the top guys in their primes, he didnt duck anyone.

[MiDKnighT]

1. Ali nobody else comes close. People saying Joe Lewis, just look at their respective resumes. Ali fought the top guys in their primes, he didnt duck anyone.

Joe Louis (check spelling) was champ for 13 years in a row and had 25 successful title defenses in a row as undisputed champ.

Not only did he clean out the heavyweight division, he kept it clean for 13 years.

Yes there were some great fighters in Ali's era like Frazier, Foreman, Norton, etc... There may have been great fighters in Joe Louis' era too but he beat them all so I guess we'll never know how great they were.

I think the record of 25 consecutive title defenses of the undisputed championship is a record that will never be broken.

[juggernaut666]

Gotta agree here. While Ike certainly passed the eye test you can’t put him top ten (let alone #3) all time on that alone. He just doesn’t have the wins (quantity or quality) to even be top 20.

When one looks for more ammo to use against someone like that poster they make it really easy ,I can actually use that to remind him how oblivious he really is as a constant reminder ,one of the worst comments ive seen even for him .

Ike Ibeabuchi the third ATG ?

[juggernaut666]

Joe Louis (check spelling) was champ for 13 years in a row and had 25 successful title defenses in a row as undisputed champ.

Not only did he clean out the heavyweight division, he kept it clean for 13 years.

Yes there were some great fighters in Ali's era like Frazier, Foreman, Norton, etc... There may have been great fighters in Joe Louis' era too but he beat them all so I guess we'll never know how great they were.

I think the record of 25 consecutive title defenses of the undisputed championship is a record that will never be broken.

Being an ATG goes beyond in the ring sometimes , Ali was way more polarizing figure and dominated his own 60's era who were better fighters in a shorter list but then who Louis had to fight wasn't exactly killers he should have not taking any L's to anyone but the more you fight the more prone a loss is going to come . Ali didn't take any L's lucked out in one fight but remained undefeated in the 60's . Ali changed the sport and was the first to really use the old time wrestling gimmicks ,became a national hero and transended into a media superstar so much hed celebrity boxing matches, wrestled in WWE and fought in an real MMa type fight in japan,he was all over the place ,he was the first guy to do all this.

Anyones list is subjective ( unless you had IKE listed at 3.) but I would put Ali at one for reasons listed.

[MiDKnighT]

Being an ATG goes beyond in the ring sometimes , Ali was way more polarizing figure and dominated his own 60's era who were better fighters in a shorter list but then who Louis had to fight wasn't exactly killers he should have not taking any L's to anyone but the more you fight the more prone a loss is going to come . Ali didn't take any L's lucked out in one fight but remained undefeated in the 60's . Ali changed the sport and was the first to really use the old time wrestling gimmicks ,became a national hero and transended into a media superstar so much hed celebrity boxing matches, wrestled in WWE and fought in an real MMa type fight in japan,he was all over the place ,he was the first guy to do all this.

Anyones list is subjective ( unless you had IKE listed at 3.) but I would put Ali at one for reasons listed.

Oh I thought we were doing best all-time boxer not best all-time boxing entertainer.