The definitive article on filed purses being bogus.

[sicko]

Way too much focus on Boxers Money

Need to put something in place in which fighters purses are not disclosed because fans are talking about $$$ more than the actually fights and that is bad

[Marchegiano]

Yeah, well, anyone who thinks they know the ins and outs of how another man's business works is a moron.

Of course there is tax fraud. Anyone who just simply states all their money and proves just how rich they are and then pays taxes on that money is a ****ing moron.

[Citizen Koba]

https://www.nysun.com/sports/ignorin...-nevada/11026/

Boxing is systemically corrupt. When something in the sweet science doesn't look right, most likely it isn't. Right now, something doesn't look right in Nevada.

On September 18, 2004, Oscar De La Hoya and Bernard Hopkins fought in Las Vegas for the undisputed middleweight championship, a bout promoted by Bob Arum's company, Top Rank. Hopkins and his attorney have testified under oath that Bernard's purse for the De La Hoya fight was $8 million plus $7 for each pay-per-view buy above 800,000. De La Hoya-Hopkins engendered one million pay-preview buys.

Here's the rub. Last September, Top Rank filed an official bout agreement between themselves and Hopkins with the Nevada State Athletic Commission. The Hopkins bout agreement was signed by a representative of Top Rank and Hopkins himself and stated that Hopkins would receive $4 million as full compensation for his services and performance in the fight. The De La Hoya contract submitted to the commission was similarly flawed. It stated that De La Hoya's purse was $8 million, which was less than half of Oscar's actual minimum guarantee.

It's possible that Top Rank filed phony contracts with the Nevada Commission to help Hopkins and De La Hoya avoid paying the full fees that would otherwise have been due to the world sanctioning organizations that sanctioned the bout. Sanctioning fees are based on a percentage of each fighter's purse.

This theory with regard to the false filing is lent credence by a September 8, 2004, letter from Todd duBoef (Arum's son-in-law and a Top Rank vice president) to the World Boxing Association and International Boxing Federation.

That letter states, "Top Rank has been directed by the representatives of the above referenced fighters that the purses filed with the Nevada State Athletic Commission for their September 18, 2004, bout will be the following: Oscar De La Hoya $8,000,000; Bernard Hopkins $4,000,000."

The IBF is now suing both Hopkins and De La Hoya in the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey, claiming breach of contract and fraud with intent to underpay the sanctioning fees. The WBA and World Boxing Council may soon follow suit.

One can construct a strong legal and ethical argument for minimizing the fees that are paid to world sanctioning organizations in conjunction with championship bouts. It's not uncommon for skilled fighters to be denied championship opportunities, while less-talented but better-connected boxers fight for belts.

Also, the "alphabet-soup" organizations have been known to engage in the bogus rating of fighters. Under federal law, one penalty for this misconduct is a court order that precludes the culpable sanctioning body from collecting sanctioning fees for any fight.

However, filing false documents with a government agency is an improper remedy, one punishable in Nevada by a minimum of one year and a maximum of five years in prison.

To date, the response of the authorities in Nevada has been disheartening. Chief Deputy Attorney General Keith Kizer (who represents the NSAC) said last week, "Sometimes, particularly with foreign fighters, deals are structured so that a fighter is paid a certain amount for his participation in a fight and then he's paid a separate amount for the use of his name and likeness in promoting the bout or for publicity services in his native land." Kizer further suggested that perhaps Hopkins was paid $4,000,000 for the fight and $4,000,000 more for the use of his image in advertising.

But Bernard isn't that good looking; his likeness is not worth $4 million. And in some instances, phony filings go beyond the downsizing of sanctioning fees and instead pave the way for tax fraud.

For example, when a foreign citizen fights in the United States, 30% of his TOTAL purse is supposed to be withheld for the Internal Revenue Service. And let's not forget, on January 6, 2004, a dozen FBI agents raided the offices of Top Rank as part of an ongoing investigation that is believed to center on fixed fights, the submission of phony medical documents, and tax fraud with regard to purses paid to foreign nationals for fights that took place in Nevada.

For a long time, the Nevada State Athletic Commission was viewed as a role model for what a boxing regulatory commission should be. To be fair, it still has many good things going for it. Raymond "Skip" Avansino, who assumed the chairmanship earlier this year, has a reputation for being capable and honest. The staff is knowledgeable.

But if the NSAC looks the other way when phony bout agreements are submitted, where on the slippery slope does other misconduct lie? Will the Commission look the other way when a fighter gets less than his officially reported purse rather than more? Will it condone the submission of false medical documents that endanger fighters' lives?

In boxing, as with other government-regulated activity, the integrity of public records should be preserved. That isn't being done right now in Nevada.

Cool. So, boxing is crooked and no-one knows what anyone's getting paid or indeed offered (by the same token, since any public offer will not be the true amount) for fights rendering any discussion of purses or any discussion of who's avoiding whom utterly pointless regardless of which promotion they're with.

Thank fuck that's cleared up. I expect the forum to be a far more civilised place in the light of this revelatory information. Maybe we can get back to enjoying the fights now.

[N/A]

for non-ppv fights filed purses are usually right because revenues for the event are almost predetermined.

You're wrong. Filed purses for non-PPV fights are still bogus because the fighter wants to save on sanctioning fees, trainer fees, management fees, local taxes, anything based on the "purse." He's better off also being paid on the side for publicity rights or other such nonsense that fewer people are able to get their fingers in the pie.

Every time Crawford fights, even non-PPV, his filed purse is way less than his actual guarantee.

[N/A]

So Eddie Hearn was not aware that filed purses are not equal to actual purses?

I don't know what he was aware of, but I know what he told DAZN. The figures shown to DAZN of what fighters make were the filed purses and DAZN was led to believe that offers 2-3x those filed purses would cause every major PBC star to quickly jump to DAZN. Clearly that's not what happened. Was Eddie too ****** to know filed purses are bogus or did Eddie purposely mislead DAZN? I don't know.

[N/A]

Cool. So, boxing is crooked and no-one knows what anyone's getting paid or indeed offered (by the same token, since any public offer will not be the true amount) for fights rendering any discussion of purses or any discussion of who's avoiding whom utterly pointless regardless of which promotion they're with.

Yes. Correct.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

"But Bernard isn't that good looking; his likeness is not worth $4 million"

that isnt for you to decide lmfao, its worth whatever someone is willing to pay for that.

****** assumption article.

[GhostofDempsey]

The problem is, you seem to think only PBC fighters are getting these "secret checks", and from non-PPV fights no less.

[JEISON SHAW]

Charlo's purses are bogus. They're not real leather. He bought them at a swap meet.