Comments Thread For: Alejandra Jimenez: I've Never Used Illegal Drugs - It's a Mistake!

[JohnCastellanos]

Yeah..the meat..right..the richest Mexican athlete fails a test because of the meat..yet athletes barely making a living that have to eat at local food places somehow managed to always pass their tests..how convenient. Any time people mention “tacos” or the “meat” it just nixes any further dialogue. Doesn’t matter where it came from..you are responsible for what’s in your body. This is the equivalent of me sitting in a car with you while you smoke a spliff with the windows up and then blaming you when I fail a drug test. I don’t for a second think Canelo is a clean athlete..he’s a great boxer but clean fighter? Nah, sorry bruh. You couldn’t stop a worn out Mosley or cotto but suddenly you are destroying everything in your path?!?

It takes a lot of money to be tested at that level and the truth is these Mexican boxers aren’t getting tested like Canelo and the ones that are a lot of them have gotten dinged for meat contamination. You don’t know how Macho and yet humble these Mexican ppl are. If someone poor offers you a meal you don’t refuse it and even the richest Mexicans will stop at remote poor locations to eat traditional Mexican food because that’s where the best food is at. There’s countless evidence that shows Canelo volunteering time and money to help the poor in Mexico and you best believe these people show their gratitude by offering you a meal. He may have acquired the nerve now to respectfully explain he’s not allowed to eat random food but best believe Canelo has eaten at the poorest of places. The fact is he was tested in the off season when he was hanging out drinking beers going to soccer games with Carlos Slim his buddy. He tested positive for micro amts and he was eating street food and after 2 tests he was clean. He proved he was eating street food and even did hair test that everyone said would prove his innocence, once he did that the haters moved the goal post and said the hair test wasn’t enough. He was suspended 6 months and most ppl claim he got off with a slap on the wrist but the truth is he got punished severely because it was meat contamination and not drugs. He’s got enough resources to take undetectable drugs and use crazy methods like Lance Armstrong, If you think that out of all drugs he’s gonna get caught using CLENBUTEROL, then you are not using common sense my friend. Say what you want but me personally I’m glad the WBC is there to make it ok to test positive for meat contamination. It’s only right because I heard our meat in the us has a lot of estrogen so imagine if Vada tested that and determined that was a dirty test, then American athletes would all be assed out

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It takes a lot of money to be tested at that level and the truth is these Mexican boxers aren’t getting tested like Canelo and the ones that are a lot of them have gotten dinged for meat contamination. You don’t know how Macho and yet humble these Mexican ppl are. If someone poor offers you a meal you don’t refuse it and even the richest Mexicans will stop at remote poor locations to eat traditional Mexican food because that’s where the best food is at. There’s countless evidence that shows Canelo volunteering time and money to help the poor in Mexico and you best believe these people show their gratitude by offering you a meal. He may have acquired the nerve now to respectfully explain he’s not allowed to eat random food but best believe Canelo has eaten at the poorest of places. The fact is he was tested in the off season when he was hanging out drinking beers going to soccer games with Carlos Slim his buddy. He tested positive for micro amts and he was eating street food and after 2 tests he was clean. He proved he was eating street food and even did hair test that everyone said would prove his innocence, once he did that the haters moved the goal post and said the hair test wasn’t enough. He was suspended 6 months and most ppl claim he got off with a slap on the wrist but the truth is he got punished severely because it was meat contamination and not drugs. He’s got enough resources to take undetectable drugs and use crazy methods like Lance Armstrong, If you think that out of all drugs he’s gonna get caught using CLENBUTEROL, then you are not using common sense my friend. Say what you want but me personally I’m glad the WBC is there to make it ok to test positive for meat contamination. It’s only right because I heard our meat in the us has a lot of estrogen so imagine if Vada tested that and determined that was a dirty test, then American athletes would all be assed out

How many athletes does Mexico send to the Olympics? How many of them have tested positive for clenbuterol? That is the most stringent testing in the world and the results don’t reflect these claims. With all due respect there are signs that he may be on stuff and I don’t accuse anyone of anything based on my perception if they haven’t failed a test, he has. Now speculation is expected and deserves because of it. When pacquiao was moving up in weights there were a lot of people accusing him of being on roids yet this guy somehow doesn’t trigger red flags for some of y’all. He’s now punching with power he didn’t have before against faded fighters but is a human wrecking ball against bigger foes? It’s fine if you disagree and I won’t try to convince you, this is all my humble opinion and views on the fighter. Still a beast in the ring skill wise and I won’t deny he is a great boxer but something stinks in that camp.

[JohnCastellanos]

How many athletes does Mexico send to the Olympics? How many of them have tested positive for clenbuterol? That is the most stringent testing in the world and the results don’t reflect these claims. With all due respect there are signs that he may be on stuff and I don’t accuse anyone of anything based on my perception if they haven’t failed a test, he has. Now speculation is expected and deserves because of it. When pacquiao was moving up in weights there were a lot of people accusing him of being on roids yet this guy somehow doesn’t trigger red flags for some of y’all. He’s now punching with power he didn’t have before against faded fighters but is a human wrecking ball against bigger foes? It’s fine if you disagree and I won’t try to convince you, this is all my humble opinion and views on the fighter. Still a beast in the ring skill wise and I won’t deny he is a great boxer but something stinks in that camp.

I respect you, you don’t get all emotional and thank you for the back and forth.

[Blond Beast]

Ok we got various studies but most of 'em are fairly small, we got canelo's initial test results and those 3 days later (which aren't really consistent with normal rates of elimination but at an improbable squeeze might be a result of a very rapid metabolism).

t/r ratios don't apply to Clenbuterol or the various other parent to metabolyte ratios which are used to calculate time /date of adminstration, since Clenbuterol doesn't metabolise into anything else measureable (ie that doesn't occur naturally within the body) we know of. All we got is the urinary / plasma concentration which tell us nothing about the amount originally taken since we don't know how much of it has been eliminated by the time of the test.

Half life of Clenbuterol apx 35-36 hours (in humans) and it follows a fairly standard elimation profile curve with peak plasma being reached after apx 2.5hrs.

minimum detectability is of the order 1-10pg/ml with the best testing equipment

Canelo first test: 600-800pg/ml

Canelo Second test 60-80pg/ml

The large majority of cases of assumed meat contamination fall under 200pg/ml, though I'm assuming that severe cases can get a lot higher based on WADAs decision to substantially increase their threshold in countries where meat contamination is a likelihood. I haven't seen the information they based that decision on so I can't really comment though it is entirely likely the decision was made more for pragmatic moral and political reasons than scientific ones.



Minimum level the****utic use will lead to peak level urinary concentrations of c. 8-10 μg/ml, high level the****utic use can leak to peak urinary concentrations of 50+μg/ml though the actual measured urinary concentration will halve approximately every 35 hours (ie every 'half life) so elapsed time is the critical missing factor that makes it impossible to differentiate between meat contamination and the****utic use in respect to Clenbuterol.

If you don't know when it was taken you can't know how much was taken.

EDIT : the above is just a super brief overview, if anyone wants more complete information just feel free to ask.

Appreciate the post. The first time I saw the stuff way back in the day it was the Mexican brand Spiropent no less. The stuff makes u jittery and crampy first couple days, but it then evens out. I wouldn’t want to be on it during fight week. But I could definitely see people using it a ways out when they have weight to lose and need sum stimulation to get going. Seems to curb appetite too. I think u nailed it with it being impossible ( besides consistently testing all year ) to tell when it was taken/ingested. U could have taken a peds dose for a while and then stopped get tested later on and it might be the same as ingesting tainted meat the day before. I mean we are dealing with a drug taken in mcg. I wonder what Erik Morales tests showed? He’s my favourite fighter and I assume he knew what he was taking. I still honestly believe Nelo took it knowingly because he was shredded and took pics flexing. Most people can’t help it. The stuff isn’t sum miracle worker, and I know plenty who have not been impressed. But if ur a top athlete and doing everything right, the stimulation can help u train, curb ur appetite, and u can get the most out of the thermogenic properties when u push yourself. Does anyone ever test positive for Trenbelone/finaplix from eating cattle?