Let’s be honest this Usyk lad is full of shyte

[PRINCEKOOL]

That’s a lie .Usyk has some of the best footwork seen . That attribute combined with work rate make him a danger even if you don’t like that ,Haye lost to the guy Usyk knocked completely out so not sure where this logic comes from . .

My logic comes from reality, Usyk at his peak was struggling with a dead at the weight Toney Bellew 'Usyk has no great attributes, his footwork is just text book simple' He is a simple solid all around fighter 'But because he is from one of these eastern European countries, the general stereotype that these fighters are superior technically is deluding people within the boxing world' The people who believe that Usyk is some kind of technical innovator of the sport, are suffering from cognitive dissonance .

When you move up from cruiser-weight into the heavyweight division you need to have at-least one great attribute. Both David Haye & Evander Holyfield possessed great attributes which negated the possible size difference they where competing against.

Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk has no great attributes, his movement, punching power, speed/co-ordination can all be describe as good 'None of them are great, none of them Shock the viewers or other heavyweight fighters'

Nobody in the heavyweight division is afraid Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk, and since he has arrive in the division he is acting like he also knows this.

The man as a fighter is completely overrated.

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My logic comes from reality, Usyk at his peak was struggling with a dead at the weight Toney Bellew 'Usyk has no great attributes, his footwork is just text book simple' He is a simple solid all around fighter 'But because he is from one of these eastern European countries, the general stereotype that these fighters are superior technically is deluding people within the boxing world' The people who believe that Usyk is some kind of technical innovator of the sport, are suffering from cognitive dissonance .

When you move up from cruiser-weight into the heavyweight division you need to have at-least one great attribute. Both David Haye & Evander Holyfield possessed great attributes which negated the possible size difference they where competing against.

Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk has no great attributes, his movement, punching power, speed/co-ordination can all be describe as good 'None of them are great, none of them Shock the viewers or other heavyweight fighters'

Nobody in the heavyweight division is afraid Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk, and since he has arrive in the division he is acting like he also knows this.

The man as a fighter is completely overrated.

Nobody said anyone’s afraid of him ,however go ask anyone who’s sparred with him who they think wins vs Wilder ?

You can’t overate any Olympic gold medal winner who cleaned out a division with other wins against HWls in the WSOB years ago one is currently a top danger Joyce who I believe is actually just as good as Wilder ,I think you are drinking tonight so I’ll give you a pass .

[Diddly Shyte]

Did somebody say Shyte?
I'll foken whoop dat skinny azz comedian and make him go down to cruiser.

[dibzvincent143]

Holyfield was elite he didn’t rush into any title fight. This is a double standard, Usyk isn’t protected he had one heavyweight fight so far he’s 1 and 0 so far how is that being protected ?

I can see that this comment has been ducked lol

They want usyk to immediately go for the big sharks but at the same time don’t ask that from their favorite fighters lol

Usyk is still acclimating at the weight. Usyk vs aj is not even that intriguing to the masses yet, hence Aj is the heavy favorite.

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I can see that this comment has been ducked lol

They want usyk to immediately go for the big sharks but at the same time don’t ask that from their favorite fighters lol

Usyk is still acclimating at the weight. Usyk vs aj is not even that intriguing to the masses yet, hence Aj is the heavy favorite.

Most logical posts are ducked it’s why most posts on here go from one deflection to another . The truth is no matter what
Usyk does unless he defeats Fury or Wilder he won’t get any credit ,but Wilder does for defeating Ortiz ? This has been the forum logic since I’ve been on here .

[Marchegiano]

The OP said he’s being protected you then agreed and said he needs to wait for AJ to prove himself ,which again you are the only one who sees that as logical ? Ha

How absolute the knave is! We must speak by the card, or equivocation will undo us.

Do you know what semantics is? I've given my reasoning for siding with the thread starter. If I didn't mention something I probably didn't agree with that aspect huh duncey-scro?

Again the other stuff you posted is some type of encryption so it’s a waste of time which doesn’t make sense,you need to go to sleep and try again tomorrow or something ? At the end of the day when you are already a mandatory stepping in a heavyweight class there’s nothing safe about it being in title fights in just 2 or 3 ,Wilder had to be babied his entire career but Usyk needs to fight this very minute against AJ ? Back to the history section you really need to go . Ha

Reread it until you understand it silly child. What is there here for me to respond to? All you said was I don't understand but let me speak at you anyway

Wilder has something to do with Usyk not waiting for Joshua to deal with his IBF mando to get the quickest shot he can at Joshua? You're a Looney Tune

If he's a champion Joshua doesn't have to fight him, jackass. He's giving up a sure shot at who many believe is the best active HW and is without question the highest grossing HW in the division for a shot at a vacant title and maybe a fight later on down the line against Joshua.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Nobody said anyone’s afraid of him ,however go ask anyone who’s sparred with him who they think wins vs Wilder ?

You can’t overate any Olympic gold medal winner who cleaned out a division with other wins against HWls in the WSOB years ago one is currently a top danger Joyce who I believe is actually just as good as Wilder ,I think you are drinking tonight so I’ll give you a pass .

Time will tell & show that he is completely overrated.

Sit back you b*tch and watch.

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I didn't suggest the number of people who agree with me alludes to any manner of correctness any time we've ever discussed Wilder, you did as soon as the roles presented itself though. Curious, that, innit? You insecure *****.

To the latter, I said I agree with OP's sentiments. A fight with Joshua as the wbo mando for all Josh's belts is worth more than a fight for the vacant WBO.

You you can give me nonsense about how later that'll make Usyk's position more powerful. I don't give a ****. All that means to me is he has more talking points to his argument for unification which means that conversation will last longer if it ever gets finished at all, and, later, is a pain in the ass. Just wait on Josh and get that Josh fight as soon as possible.

There is no need to bull**** about picking up a belt against a guy who isn't even a good name for either of the real champions.

The number doesn’t need to be brought up because no one did not even the other Wilder fans which really shows how far you’re out there . Ha

Having a belt gives someone more position power so I don’t have to convince anyone it’s nonsense , you must not really know boxing to not know that ? Go ahead find any poster on the forum who doesn’t know a belt gets you leverage ? Ha

The OP sentiments weren’t what has more value even a 5th grader would know a fight with AJ is worth more ,but it was about Usyk needing to prove himself right now and you agreed he needs to wait for AJ ?

Nice try though anyone with common sense however knows that’s not realistic when the AJ fight isn’t next with the mandatory rotation so it’s not even up to Usyk ,this really shows how much goes over your head but you must like being proven wrong all the time that’s why you can’t let it go and be reminded by posting to me and Wilder does have to do with it because you’re a Wilder fan ,they can’t claim anyone is being protected or needs to prove anything with over 40 fights himself ? . Ha

[just the facts]

It doesn’t matter who agrees with you because they would look like fools to but I did notice they would have to be Wilders fan club not including the OP bc he has an agenda with non U.K fighters so I get it , I don’t think anyone gets you ? Ha

I didn’t mention Usyk power or him even advancing far buT to claim he’s being protected with a 1 and 0 record at pro HW suggests you are not in a right state of mind as if he needs to prove anything to you guys ,you didn’t give any reason why this thread makes sense because it doesn’t . Ha

You didn’t agree with anything either , you said the thread makes sense with no rhythm or reason ,Usyk grabbing a belt means more money ,this is prize fighting right Mr Historian ? Ha

You don’t wait on another champion if you can attain a belt for a bigger payday particularly if you are trying to adjust in another weight class ,and not fight for a year ? who actually believes that would be the route for Usyk ? Ha

Again, what's with your weird negative obsession with Wilder? Racism? Anti American agenda? What?

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Time will tell & show that he is completely overrated.

Sit back you b*tch and watch.

Take the L friend and leave the thread nothing good for you can come of it . Stating Usyk is overrated on nothing exposed you tonight .

If you have to wait for time to tell that means you don’t know what it will show ? Sounds like the guy shagged your girl or something ?