Shortlist for FOTD revealed. Pacquiao didn't make it into the top 3.

[dibzvincent143]

Yes Floyd became the A side which begs the question why you think that he should’ve been chasing a Cotto fight when he had bigger/better opportunities in front of him? Contenders chase the champ not the other way around. You’re looking at this a$$ backwards.

It’s the same thing with pacquiao. Floyd proved that he was willing to work with arum to get the pacquiao fight in 2009-2010 when they had everything agreed upon except the drug testing that pacquiao ended up eventually agreeing to. The fact that pacquiao eventually agreed to the same testing that he refused initially, proves that it was their side who held the fight up. Arum waited until pacquiao was no longer the same cash cow on his own to cash him out with Floyd. Yet you spin it the other way as if Floyd is the refused the testing then eventually agreed years later. Clown *****

Loool pacquiao agreed to the testing in 2010 already but floyd made other demands and nowhere to be found when being summoned by HBO.
Why do you think he transferred to showtime. Because he was getting pressured left and right to fight pacman on hbo.

Floyds demands that didn’t even matter 5 years later.
1. I’ll never work with arum
2. 40 million flat fee for pac. No 50-50, no 60-40
3. Sign with TMT and haymon first

Pac even sent koncz to floyds gym in 2011. If someone doesn’t want the fight why would he send his financial manager to someone’s camp?
Did floyd do anything close to that?? He was just happy the first negotiation fell out, and uses the drug test excuse for 5 years lol



Floyd was being asked about the cotto fight after the oscar fight and he didn’t even mention that he was interested. Lol
He was only interested after cotto got smashed by pac and margo to pieces and was able to rebuild a bit at 154. He was in hurry then since cotto could lose again anytime lol

[The Big Dunn]

Are you mad at trump for trying to take away your EBT? Just curious.
You sure mention ball licking a lot. Something you sound quite familiar with
I originated in America. So i know a racist pig dlck when i see one. And you sir spew racism all over. Just because im calling you out on it dont be upset. stand your racist ground you coward.
Called you out for spreading lies about Manny and false rumors.
Then your response to that was Hes a 3rd world f@g. Like 3rd world people are beneath youre racist de****able azz.
Way better than some hood rat EBT racist section 8 living piece of pig shlt like yourself .
What....let me guess youre gonna come back with something about licking balls again lmfao .....

You originated in the gutter you ****** maggot. I’m sure you do know **** when you see it you’re on your knees plenty.

I’m not worried about trump. You should probably be. I’m sure your visa has expired.

[WholeSoul75]

https://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sp...ssion-shoulder

A 60% pac did that. Supersicwidit.

[Roadblock]

https://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sp...ssion-shoulder

A 60% pac did that. Supersicwidit.

And this is the propaganda you guys go off , lol .

Its all after the fact , written by fellow country men, God dam you people are gullible, amazing.

[PAC-BOY]

Barrera JMM Morales Manny , were all very close in ability nobody truly dominated, they had life and death battles and Floyd totally dominated JMM and beat Manny he would have schooled Morales and Barrera and its likely the then Pretty Boy Floyd probably stops them, during that decade Manny lost to JMM and Morales who came off a loss the first fight and then off 2 losses for the second fight, Barrera also fought him coming off a loss, Larios was also coming off a loss. Barrera and Morales are not near Floyd at 130-135, he would have ship wrecked them both.

The rest are your average B grade fighters, until you get to

Oscar 3 losses in last 5 before Manny and drained like a dried up Chamois, he had not been that low 145 since 12 yrs earlier.

Hatton had a career derailing loss to Floyd then fought 2 give me fights , after that loss he developed a ******* habit ditched his wife and long time trainer and then fought Manny.
Go and watch the Hatton vs Lazcano fight who they dragged back out of retirement and he nearly KOed Hatton.

Cotto forced into a CW for his own title by Bob Arum, its well known what Cotto said about the CW.

I can continue from exiled for 2 yrs Margarito, Mosley off a loss lthen a draw with a B grader right through to injured Thurman 2 yrs out and nearly stopped by a B grader, every top fighter Manny fought had some BS asterix attached, weight, injuries, off losses etc etc , its always some BS with Manny he does not shoot straight down the gunbarrel and his fans wear earmuffs and dont even hear his crooked shots.

Instead of not addressing anything Ive said and going off somewhere else , try and have a civil convo on the easy to prove points I have raised ?

Instead of arguing your invalid and your views...I have questions about your theories. Maybe...You can enlighten me why you think the way you do.

1. Do you think that JMM moving up two divisions had anything to do with his performance at that weight????
2. Can You tell me any other fighters that made the jump of two divisions and was successful???? (in the history of the sport)
3. The quality of opposition at FW SFW whos was better in your opinion? And Why more importantly?
4. Do DLH coming down in weight to a CW...Id this any Difference in Floyd fighting Canelo at a CW and making him come down? Should be a simple Yes or NO...But if its YES...explain why!
5. Hatton. What do you think the reasons were that Floyd wanted to fight Hatton? They are 2 of them.
6. Do you know why Cotto was asked to come in two lbs lower at a CW with Manny?
7. Do you think the Margarito fight with Manny was a good fight? If No why?
8. Do you think Mosley was washed up after a boring 12 round decision lost to Floyd that in the fight Floyd was hurt more and wobbled than Shane was?
9. A younger Thruman in his prime and completely recovered ....Inactive and has a tune up fight prior to a 40yr old Manny out of his prime...Do you see a balance there?
10. Very Important...Who do you think the greatest fighter of all time is??

[PAC-BOY]

You originated in the gutter you ****** maggot. I’m sure you do know **** when you see it you’re on your knees plenty.

I’m not worried about trump. You should probably be. I’m sure your visa has expired.

Trump 2020
Im American born and raised. I speak 3 different languages and never even left the country. But will be moving to the Philippines to retire on the most beautiful beaches in the world.

Meanwhile back in the hood. You will be fighting to keep your EBT and section 8 housing and will have to get a job because Trump will take away your unemployment benefits which will leave you having to work for a living and earn money rather than stick your greasy hand out for free money and suck the tax payers money dry.

Id much rather be the maggot here than a scum piece of shlt like you.

[Roadblock]

Instead of arguing your invalid and your views...I have questions about your theories. Maybe...You can enlighten me why you think the way you do.

1. Do you think that JMM moving up two divisions had anything to do with his performance at that weight????
2. Can You tell me any other fighters that made the jump of two divisions and was successful???? (in the history of the sport)
3. The quality of opposition at FW SFW whos was better in your opinion? And Why more importantly?
4. Do DLH coming down in weight to a CW...Id this any Difference in Floyd fighting Canelo at a CW and making him come down? Should be a simple Yes or NO...But if its YES...explain why!
5. Hatton. What do you think the reasons were that Floyd wanted to fight Hatton? They are 2 of them.
6. Do you know why Cotto was asked to come in two lbs lower at a CW with Manny?
7. Do you think the Margarito fight with Manny was a good fight? If No why?
8. Do you think Mosley was washed up after a boring 12 round decision lost to Floyd that in the fight Floyd was hurt more and wobbled than Shane was?
9. A younger Thruman in his prime and completely recovered ....Inactive and has a tune up fight prior to a 40yr old Manny out of his prime...Do you see a balance there?
10. Very Important...Who do you think the greatest fighter of all time is??

Sure I will validate where Im coming from .

1) No because his fight night weight had not varied more than 4lbs from 130-147, he was 145 fight night stopping Juan Diaz the fight before Floyd, add to this Floyd had been out of boxing for nearly 2 yrs. JMM was P4P No 2 at the time.
JMMs fight night weight against Floyd was 150Lbs and it was 150lbs the night he KOed Manny.

Also the 2lb , JMM was 144 Floyd was 146 it was a WW match, Floyd fckd up his weight because of the 2 yr out and couldnt be bothered sweating it off at the last minute so said fck it and paid the forfeit.

The match it self didnt need a referee it was so clean boxed, it was boxing and counter boxing at its finest, he beat JMM so clearly it was a joke with Floyd in cruise control, a great win despite the BS over weight because weight never factored into this match at all.

2) Its 2 division on paper and because of 30hrs weigh-in time , it means nothing when youre fighting a guy that came from the same 130 class you did Floyd was a 130 lb fighter just as Manny and JMM was, you quote weight classes but ignore the weight they fight at.

3) Im not sure what youre asking.

4) Its way different because Canelo didnt have to come down to 147 after 10yrs above that weight, Canelo was as light as he could possibly push it without losing stamina and speed, Oscar was way below that losing speed and resistance, Oscar need IV fluids and increased 2lbs from weigh-in that means he was fckd .

5) It was a good money fight for him and Hatton had a big following, Floyd knew he would beat Hatton, which doesnt mean a great deal as Floyd always thinks he will win.

6) Manny originally wanted Cotto at 143 which he refused then with pressure from Arum they agreed on 145. The reason is obvious gain an advantage, Roach was quoted at the time of saying Cotto was damaged goods so close to the cheat beating, but Arum fed him 2 cans and then Manny.

7) Was the Margo fight a good fight, hmmm not sure on that as Margo was skrewd from the get go, long lay off after bad KO, ordinary last fight, bogus weight 26ft ring and illegal gloves kinda made Margarito a sloth punching bag in very big paddock for a fast combination puncher like Manny, it was a BS paper Title.

8) I dont think Mosley was washed up but at the tale end of his career for sure, was Floyd hurt you bet he was, he showed so much control to get out of that round and then walked him down from then on. I believe the same punch form Mosley puts Manny on the floor, Mosley could punch.

9) Thurman was not prime he was 2 yrs stale nearly stopped by a B grader and injured before and during rquiring surgery afterwards .

10) I dont think there is a greatest fighter of all time, I think there have been many greats that could beat any other great on their night at the same weight, the best for me is a group of champions its not a single guy, there is only a split second between winning and losing in this sport, only a split second can be the difference from a bum to a great, if you cannot land on a guy you cannot beat him.

[Richard G]

https://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sp...ssion-shoulder

A 60% pac did that. Supersicwidit.

The thing with a rotator cuff injury is that either an operation is required or rest and physio. No reputable doctor would suggest using a numbing agent, that in a fight could lead to severe injury and shoulder replacement, career ending for someone of Manny's age.

So all this nonsense you people spout means nothing, it's near impossible to get facts where Manny is involved but it would not surprise me if he suffered a mild injury during the fight or even later.

[PAC-BOY]

Sure I will validate where Im coming from .

1) No because his fight night weight had not varied more than 4lbs from 130-147, he was 145 fight night stopping Juan Diaz the fight before Floyd, add to this Floyd had been out of boxing for nearly 2 yrs. JMM was P4P No 2 at the time.
JMMs fight night weight against Floyd was 150Lbs and it was 150lbs the night he KOed Manny.

Also the 2lb , JMM was 144 Floyd was 146 it was a WW match, Floyd fckd up his weight because of the 2 yr out and couldnt be bothered sweating it off at the last minute so said fck it and paid the forfeit.

The match it self didnt need a referee it was so clean boxed, it was boxing and counter boxing at its finest, he beat JMM so clearly it was a joke with Floyd in cruise control, a great win despite the BS over weight because weight never factored into this match at all. really????

2) Its 2 division on paper and because of 30hrs weigh-in time , it means nothing when youre fighting a guy that came from the same 130 class you did Floyd was a 130 lb fighter just as Manny and JMM was, you quote weight classes but ignore the weight they fight at.

3) Im not sure what youre asking.

4) Its way different because Canelo didnt have to come down to 147 after 10yrs above that weight, Canelo was as light as he could possibly push it without losing stamina and speed, Oscar was way below that losing speed and resistance, Oscar need IV fluids and increased 2lbs from weigh-in that means he was fckd .

5) It was a good money fight for him and Hatton had a big following, Floyd knew he would beat Hatton, which doesnt mean a great deal as Floyd always thinks he will win.

6) Manny originally wanted Cotto at 143 which he refused then with pressure from Arum they agreed on 145. The reason is obvious gain an advantage, Roach was quoted at the time of saying Cotto was damaged goods so close to the cheat beating, but Arum fed him 2 cans and then Manny.

7) Was the Margo fight a good fight, hmmm not sure on that as Margo was skrewd from the get go, long lay off after bad KO, ordinary last fight, bogus weight 26ft ring and illegal gloves kinda made Margarito a sloth punching bag in very big paddock for a fast combination puncher like Manny, it was a BS paper Title.

8) I dont think Mosley was washed up but at the tale end of his career for sure, was Floyd hurt you bet he was, he showed so much control to get out of that round and then walked him down from then on. I believe the same punch form Mosley puts Manny on the floor, Mosley could punch.

9) Thurman was not prime he was 2 yrs stale nearly stopped by a B grader and injured before and during rquiring surgery afterwards .

10) I dont think there is a greatest fighter of all time, I think there have been many greats that could beat any other great on their night at the same weight, the best for me is a group of champions its not a single guy, there is only a split second between winning and losing in this sport, only a split second can be the difference from a bum to a great, if you cannot land on a guy you cannot beat him.

1 Wrong Hes never fought over the 135 limit...although for Diaz fight he came in heavier than ever in his career at 140lbs on night of the fight. FACTS! Also...It was at a CW of 144. Then Floyd paid out 600k because he couldn't make the weight. Marquez weighed 148 on HBO's unofficial scale fight night. Mayweather refused the network's request for a night-of-fight weigh-in. "I think the weight was a big problem," said Marquez, who never officially weighed in heavier than 135 pounds previously.
https://www.google.com/search?q=what...hrome&ie=UTF-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWBt_ILC2Js
here are some links backing up the facts!!! So Do you still think it was a fair weight. We are not talking a few lbs here. Massive weight gain vs SWW.
2.Wrong The question was Can you name a fighter that successfully made a two division jump?
Floyd began fighting at WW in 05 he Fought JMM in 09. JMM fought at that weight 148 on the night for the first time in his life. Floyd had 4 years to prepare for that weight. JMM had 6 weeks. Still think its fair game huh> 13lb heavier than last fight...The question was how many people have successful made that leap...and won! Odds are not favorable.
3. Floyd and Manny fought at 130-135, P4p whos opposition was better? It was a different time frame so the fighters they fought as in quality. Example Morrlas over Hernandez. p4p Eric was better. Hope that clears the question up.
4.Wrong DLH last fights with Forbes Floyd Mayorga was all at 150lbs Mayorga fight he was 153 to be exact. He only tested the MW waters 4 yrs before manny one year and that didnt work to good for him. Thats why he came back to SWW and stayed around 150-54 where hes good at. DLH was only losing 5lbs less than he weighed in at his last fight. On night of the fight DLH hydrated up to 147.
He was in shape. Here is where people get suddenly ******. Manny has never fought past 135 EVER. Nor is his walk around weight or nor does he re-hydrate higher. He actually was coming up in weight for Diaz in his last fight before DLH in at 133 highest before that 129 with JMM. So he is putting on 10lbs to fight DLH compared to his last fight and DLH is losing only 5lbs compared to his last fight. And DLH is use to up and down. Manny is trying coming up two divisions in a weight class for the first time. FACTS.... Not glorifying its the real deal. And its not un normal for any fighter coming down to use IV fluids. Some do some dont. People tend to think when Manny fought DLH he came up two divisions. DLH fought Manny JUST LIKE FLOYD FOUGHT JMM!!!! Just different outcomes. Let that brew for a while lol
5. Hatton fought once at WW before fighting Floyd. Urango. he moved up and Urango beat Hatton that night. Got robbed. Hatton looked horrible. And he stated he was testing the waters and laughed when he said He will NOT fight back at 47 again. I just dont feel good here and its harder for me. And i quote, his words. His next fight was 140. his weight. Castillio. KOs him. And then what...Floyd wants him. Where 147. Where hes not good at. He got what he deserved. He goes back to 40 has a couple of good wins where he is comfortable at...KOing Paulie M and Manny comes down to 40 and Flattens him. In his weight division.
6. I never saw Cotto as a monster. Nor do i think Marg took his soul. He had some wins and some Losses. And you said it yourself. Weigh in at night of the fights people blow up. Thats why CW comes in to play. he was asked 2lbs more. He took it, Cotto did have a case for coming in bigger at 147 limit up to 154+ on fight night, Manny being the smaller guy. They wanted to control the even playing field. A few lbs extra to make a good fight...Im ok with it. I was Ok with the Canelo Floyd CW. Cotto is hit or miss fighter. Like Mosley, A live azz dog and dangerous. Cant count them out. Also we all seen Clottey beat Cotto and Cotto get the D. Thats why Manny fought Clottey then Cotto. Giving Cotto a chance to redeem that freebee
7. Marg was huge. And today Manny said that was the hardest fight hes been in. That say a lot. The size difference made srevie wonder say daaaamn! Also another weight class he had to climb and be the smaller guy. I think it was a decent win.
8. Agree.... Like i just said Mosley was no walk over. And Floyd did a good job in that fight and taking control of it. Im not the hater thats gonna say oh its because Mosley was done. Hes a live dog. Like a Tim Bradley type. Hes in the fight. What i do know is he wanted to quit in the fight with Manny. His dad made him finish that fight. Manny put him down and took his heart. But credit to Mosley to finishing and making the fight competitive.
9. Wrong and right Please research what your saying here. I agree that inactivity can play a roll. Did it? I dont know. He did have a tune up. Hes not supposed to look good after a lay off. he had two training camps doctor visits and a tune up. *** the excuses. Manny is 40...Defenitly not in his prime but can bring the still. The only fight i seen him not look good in was Floyd years ago. Just because Thurman loss dont mean he was injured. He threw more and landed more. He got knocked down and hurt several times by a great fighter. End of story. A hurt fighter aint out throwing Manny Pacquiao, or out landing him. STOP IT!!! But unfortunately it takes more than punch stats to win. Thurman fought like a champ. He looked good in that fight. He may be crying now to get a payday rematch and the haters and bandwagon riders are eating it up. How can you honestly say this. If youre a die hard Thurman fan ok....i get it. But he got his healthy azz kicked in a 12 round great fight. close one too. I wont even say it was a azz whoopin but he did great.
10.....Oh come on curtis. You know there is a greatest of all time fighter. Everyone knows that. okay...who was better SRR or Joey Maxim ??

[Roadblock]

1 Wrong Hes never fought over the 135 limit...although for Diaz fight he came in heavier than ever in his career at 140lbs on night of the fight. FACTS! Also...It was at a CW of 144. Then Floyd paid out 600k because he couldn't make the weight. Marquez weighed 148 on HBO's unofficial scale fight night. Mayweather refused the network's request for a night-of-fight weigh-in. "I think the weight was a big problem," said Marquez, who never officially weighed in heavier than 135 pounds previously.
https://www.google.com/search?q=what...hrome&ie=UTF-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWBt_ILC2Js
here are some links backing up the facts!!! So Do you still think it was a fair weight. We are not talking a few lbs here. Massive weight gain vs SWW.
2.Wrong The question was Can you name a fighter that successfully made a two division jump?
Floyd began fighting at WW in 05 he Fought JMM in 09. JMM fought at that weight 148 on the night for the first time in his life. Floyd had 4 years to prepare for that weight. JMM had 6 weeks. Still think its fair game huh> 13lb heavier than last fight...The question was how many people have successful made that leap...and won! Odds are not favorable.
3. Floyd and Manny fought at 130-135, P4p whos opposition was better? It was a different time frame so the fighters they fought as in quality. Example Morrlas over Hernandez. p4p Eric was better. Hope that clears the question up.
4.Wrong DLH last fights with Forbes Floyd Mayorga was all at 150lbs Mayorga fight he was 153 to be exact. He only tested the MW waters 4 yrs before manny one year and that didnt work to good for him. Thats why he came back to SWW and stayed around 150-54 where hes good at. DLH was only losing 5lbs less than he weighed in at his last fight. On night of the fight DLH hydrated up to 147.
He was in shape. Here is where people get suddenly ******. Manny has never fought past 135 EVER. Nor is his walk around weight or nor does he re-hydrate higher. He actually was coming up in weight for Diaz in his last fight before DLH in at 133 highest before that 129 with JMM. So he is putting on 10lbs to fight DLH compared to his last fight and DLH is losing only 5lbs compared to his last fight. And DLH is use to up and down. Manny is trying coming up two divisions in a weight class for the first time. FACTS.... Not glorifying its the real deal. And its not un normal for any fighter coming down to use IV fluids. Some do some dont. People tend to think when Manny fought DLH he came up two divisions. DLH fought Manny JUST LIKE FLOYD FOUGHT JMM!!!! Just different outcomes. Let that brew for a while lol
5. Hatton fought once at WW before fighting Floyd. Urango. he moved up and Urango beat Hatton that night. Got robbed. Hatton looked horrible. And he stated he was testing the waters and laughed when he said He will NOT fight back at 47 again. I just dont feel good here and its harder for me. And i quote, his words. His next fight was 140. his weight. Castillio. KOs him. And then what...Floyd wants him. Where 147. Where hes not good at. He got what he deserved. He goes back to 40 has a couple of good wins where he is comfortable at...KOing Paulie M and Manny comes down to 40 and Flattens him. In his weight division.
6. I never saw Cotto as a monster. Nor do i think Marg took his soul. He had some wins and some Losses. And you said it yourself. Weigh in at night of the fights people blow up. Thats why CW comes in to play. he was asked 2lbs more. He took it, Cotto did have a case for coming in bigger at 147 limit up to 154+ on fight night, Manny being the smaller guy. They wanted to control the even playing field. A few lbs extra to make a good fight...Im ok with it. I was Ok with the Canelo Floyd CW. Cotto is hit or miss fighter. Like Mosley, A live azz dog and dangerous. Cant count them out. Also we all seen Clottey beat Cotto and Cotto get the D. Thats why Manny fought Clottey then Cotto. Giving Cotto a chance to redeem that freebee
7. Marg was huge. And today Manny said that was the hardest fight hes been in. That say a lot. The size difference made srevie wonder say daaaamn! Also another weight class he had to climb and be the smaller guy. I think it was a decent win.
8. Agree.... Like i just said Mosley was no walk over. And Floyd did a good job in that fight and taking control of it. Im not the hater thats gonna say oh its because Mosley was done. Hes a live dog. Like a Tim Bradley type. Hes in the fight. What i do know is he wanted to quit in the fight with Manny. His dad made him finish that fight. Manny put him down and took his heart. But credit to Mosley to finishing and making the fight competitive.
9. Wrong and right Please research what your saying here. I agree that inactivity can play a roll. Did it? I dont know. He did have a tune up. Hes not supposed to look good after a lay off. he had two training camps doctor visits and a tune up. *** the excuses. Manny is 40...Defenitly not in his prime but can bring the still. The only fight i seen him not look good in was Floyd years ago. Just because Thurman loss dont mean he was injured. He threw more and landed more. He got knocked down and hurt several times by a great fighter. End of story. A hurt fighter aint out throwing Manny Pacquiao, or out landing him. STOP IT!!! But unfortunately it takes more than punch stats to win. Thurman fought like a champ. He looked good in that fight. He may be crying now to get a payday rematch and the haters and bandwagon riders are eating it up. How can you honestly say this. If youre a die hard Thurman fan ok....i get it. But he got his healthy azz kicked in a 12 round great fight. close one too. I wont even say it was a azz whoopin but he did great.
10.....Oh come on curtis. You know there is a greatest of all time fighter. Everyone knows that. okay...who was better SRR or Joey Maxim ??

Right off the mark on your very first comment you are wrong, you said JMM was never heavier than 140lbs , thats total BS.

Here is some weights that you need to think about he is at 141 a full 4 years before Juan Diaz, as I said right through their careers from 130 to 147 Floyd Manny and Marquez was within 4 pounds of each other.

I dont have time to look at what else you said but Im betting it will fall apart.