How can crawford be the man to beat at welter....

[Curtis2]

Crawford might be the best ww in the world. It sucks he has to fight lower tier talent but part of this is his fault.

He knew the politics and decided to stay with TR. It is arguable that if he wanted to fight everyone at ww then do what is necessary to position yourself to do so.

You can’t go to McDonalds and then complain you can’t get a whopper.

Didn't you hear what Porter said?? It's up to the individual fighters not the promotion company. Porter says if fight happens, he & T Crawford will agree and set the stage. Porter isn't hiding behind the "wrong side of the street" like Spence and all other PBC WW's are doing. If Kavaliauskas would have pulled off a freak win last night, every WW in the world would be coming for the WBO belt. Very few fighters willing to step to T Crawford...

[filup79]

crawford knew the politics and stayed with Arum. he froze himself out. but they had the chance to secure danny garcia and gave khan $5 million instead soooo..

They never offered him that. Pr stunt by TR. They came out to the media with that bogus story. They already knew Garcia had a fight signed and PBC was going to announce it on their show. Arum comes out saying he called Danny's father to make the fight. Just like now Arum says he offered Pac a ton of money to fight Crawford but when he was with TR he was saying Manny was asking for too much money to fight Bud and the fight would lose money on their purses. TR and Bradley and ESPN be asking PBC to grow a pair and go fight Bud on their Network, why doesn't Bud grow a pair and tell Arum he'll fight those guys on Fox or Showtime ppv.

[filup79]

Yeah you just said the same excuse again. To be fair at this moment in time i havnt seen a single offer from Arum regarding a fight between Bud and any of the PBC Welters so right now nobody is actually making a move at all. But from the talking side of things Crawford is atleast making it sound like he is setting his sights on the PBC fighters where as the PBC fighters are all distancing themselves from Bud. Thats what i have to weigh up and its quite clear the PBC guys dont want it.

Forcing Crawford to take a promotional contract he does not want to take in order for him to fight for belts that all fighters from any promoter should be able to get access to is just criminal and is disgusting. As far as im concerned Al Haymon and the other bigwigs at the PBC are total scum for this. Pro Black? LOL, Al Haymon is crapping on black fighters, including his own stable. Haymon is not a black man, he is a dirty cold business man using his fighters as pawns to do better for his business whilst costing his fighters opportunities chances of career high money and the things that build a real legacy.

I am a Boxing fan and i hate the PBC because i am a Boxing fan. And you PBC fans dont seem to see it happening and actually defend it. Your crazy.

Forcing Bud to take a promotional contract to fight the PBC guys? You must not know how Arum works. That's exactly what Arum expects when fighters fight his guys. He expects them to agree to his terms and wants options on future fights. Yet he wouldn't allow his fighters to agree to the same terms he ask other fighters from other promotions to agree to. Arum could easily send Bud to fight a PBC ww on Fox or Showtime ppv. It's been clear that Buds ppvs handled by Arum have bombed.

[Southpawology]

Spence dominates crawford. Porter beats crawford. Danny might even beat crawford. He is seriously sooo overhypeddd

[The Big Dunn]

Didn't you hear what Porter said?? It's up to the individual fighters not the promotion company. Porter says if fight happens, he & T Crawford will agree and set the stage. Porter isn't hiding behind the "wrong side of the street" like Spence and all other PBC WW's are doing. If Kavaliauskas would have pulled off a freak win last night, every WW in the world would be coming for the WBO belt. Very few fighters willing to step to T Crawford...

Yes I saw that. Did you see Bob’s response? Essentially saying it will get done if the promoters want to negotiate it, not if the fighters want it.

Porter also has no other title fight to get. Roach dismissed porter ever getting a fight against manny, saying they wouldn’t fight an ex sparring partner.

I think your perspective changes when your options are limited or reduced.

[Goldie]

Yeah you just said the same excuse again. To be fair at this moment in time i havnt seen a single offer from Arum regarding a fight between Bud and any of the PBC Welters so right now nobody is actually making a move at all. But from the talking side of things Crawford is atleast making it sound like he is setting his sights on the PBC fighters where as the PBC fighters are all distancing themselves from Bud. Thats what i have to weigh up and its quite clear the PBC guys dont want it.

You can act ****** to justify pushing your anti pbc agenda all you want, but it’s transparent. I don’t care what Crawford tries to “make it sound like” because the truth is in his actions. He chose to sign with arum knowing the politics. You call that an excuse but it’s really just a fact that you don’t want to accept. If he really wanted that pbc smoke then he would’ve signed with Haymon. I’m not going to fault the pbc guys for not overdoing the fake and phony BS pretending as if the politics don’t exist. When Crawford does all that, it’s an insult to people’s intelligence.

Forcing Crawford to take a promotional contract he does not want to take in order for him to fight for belts that all fighters from any promoter should be able to get access to is just criminal and is disgusting. As far as im concerned Al Haymon and the other bigwigs at the PBC are total scum for this. Pro Black? LOL, Al Haymon is crapping on black fighters, including his own stable. Haymon is not a black man, he is a dirty cold business man using his fighters as pawns to do better for his business whilst costing his fighters opportunities chances of career high money and the things that build a real legacy.

This is where the true colors start snowing subconsciously. This is also an example of how EVERYTHING involving interactions between blacks and non blacks has a racial element/factor. You’ve built up this whole

What are you basing your anti-haymon stance on other than your own inherent prejudices? You’ve built up this whole scenario in your head where haymon is denying Crawford as if arum isn’t the biggest snake in boxing. How many fighters have had bad things to say about haymon in comparison to arum? All of haymon’s fighters speak glowingly if him and his guidance yet you here tryna paint him as the scum of the earth. Meanwhile, you give the guy who has proven to be a dishonest POS who uses fighters and lies to the public, a complete pass lol. The pbc-tr beef is all on haymon huh? Y’all can’t even help yourselves.

I am a Boxing fan and i hate the PBC because i am a Boxing fan. And you PBC fans dont seem to see it happening and actually defend it. Your crazy.

You hate pbc because of what it stands for and represents. You just don’t have the courage or integrity to challenge and be honest with yourself.

[Curtis2]

Yes I saw that. Did you see Bob’s response? Essentially saying it will get done if the promoters want to negotiate it, not if the fighters want it.

Porter also has no other title fight to get. Roach dismissed porter ever getting a fight against manny, saying they wouldn’t fight an ex sparring partner.

I think your perspective changes when your options are limited or reduced.

Manny looking for exhibition type bouts, just like Floyd. Top Rank has the world's best @ 140 & 147, let's see who's gonna step up to pursue greatness???
Jose Ramirez signs new long-term deal to remain with Top Rank. T Crawford & J Ramirez don't duck, cherry pick either side of the street..who's next??

[The Big Dunn]

Manny looking for exhibition type bouts, just like Floyd. Top Rank has the world's best @ 140 & 147, let's see who's gonna step up to pursue greatness???
Jose Ramirez signs new long-term deal to remain with Top Rank. T Crawford & J Ramirez don't duck, cherry pick either side of the street..who's next??

Ramirez is a tough fighter but wouldn’t it be better if he fights the other top guys at 140 since he didn’t participate in the wbss?

Don’t get me wrong, I completely understand Crawford’s frustration. He has smart people around him so he had to know this was going to happen when he took the money.

[ShaneMosleySr]

He’s a universally recognized top 5 p4p fighter, a three division champion and one of two active boxers to become an undisputed champion.

[Bandman]

They never offered him that. Pr stunt by TR. They came out to the media with that bogus story. They already knew Garcia had a fight signed and PBC was going to announce it on their show. Arum comes out saying he called Danny's father to make the fight. Just like now Arum says he offered Pac a ton of money to fight Crawford but when he was with TR he was saying Manny was asking for too much money to fight Bud and the fight would lose money on their purses. TR and Bradley and ESPN be asking PBC to grow a pair and go fight Bud on their Network, why doesn't Bud grow a pair and tell Arum he'll fight those guys on Fox or Showtime ppv.

If thats true Danny's father would've said something. he dont bite his tongue. Haymon cant control Angel. i still think the offer was real they just decided to overpay Khan.