Are some English fighters on a state of the art PED regimen?

[ShoulderRoll]

Hear me out.

The amounts of Dianabol metabolites found in Dillian Whyte were very small. But as I understand it Dianabol is not a substance that is found in medications or in tainted meat or in some other product that Whyte might have accidentally ingested.

To have ANY amount of Dianabol in his system he must have been deliberately taking it. Which leads me to suspect they were microdosing him and timing his cycles etc...in other words using sophisticated doping methods.

Is my thinking out of line here?

[Lomasexual]

Yes, same as any other country.

[Ray*]

Who knows what your thinking is? Do you analyse when boxers from your country get caught with PED? Did you start threads for Lamont Peterson when he got caught? Mosley? Miller?

I mean if you did then your “Thinking” is probably right. Maybe every country has their own dopers who micro-dose to cheat.

Russia were recently ban by the WADA, but when we look at boxing and see how bad it is the first thing we need to do is look at ourselves. What are we doing in our country to deter cheating? Who are our testing agencies that chases these boxers?

What are the excuses, investigations or outcomes if they are caught? So far this whole Whyte thing has been used more for propaganda than actually asking the right questions.

Because if this isn’t been used as propaganda, how come there wasn’t questions like this when Ortiz failed a test twice? Why don’t we see threads like this asking how Fury came back into the sport?

Just my obs about this whole thing really.

[Redd Foxx]

Traces could mean any number of things. The fact that several top UK fighters have been busted in recent years, and that fans there viciously defend them, tells me there may be a cultural acceptance. Doping doesn't require high level technology, just willingness to cheat. When your anti doping board rolls over every time, it tells me they're probably not even testing them adequately to begin with.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Dianabol and drugs like that are ancient performance enhancing drugs, that is how you know? Boxing is not really targeted by the pharmacist that create drugs. That is because their competitive arena is not the perfect laboratory. Other sports such as track and field athletics, cycling, swimming and many other Olympic sports 'From a scientific perspective, have the best athletes who compete in sports that are purely about taking human performance to its limit & beyond' this is the perfect laboratory, as to why drug testing has been by far the most advanced in those sports.

Boxers who do take drugs, probably try and set things up themselves 'Which makes things even more dangerous'. Go and watch a documentary about Lance Armstrong, and how professional his drug taking regime was etc

I think the majority of boxers at elite level are clean.

[Citizen Koba]

Hear me out.

The amounts of Dianabol metabolites found in Dillian Whyte were very small. But as I understand it Dianabol is not a substance that is found in medications or in tainted meat or in some other product that Whyte might have accidentally ingested.

To have ANY amount of Dianabol in his system he must have been deliberately taking it. Which leads me to suspect they were microdosing him and timing his cycles etc...in other words using sophisticated doping methods.

Is my thinking out of line here?

I'm not an expert by any means but I did google the microdosing of DBol and it doesn't really seem like it's a thing, but even if it were the metabolytes should have showed up on his other tests. Without UKAD releasing the specific metabolyte concentrations we can't be sure, of course, but given that he passed a test 3 days earlier it's quite possible to calculate wherher the maximal amount he could have taken was in line with even a microdose (say 10% or even 5% the regular tapering/starting dose of 15mg/daily).

I think NADP have come at it from the angle that they don't know how it got there but they're claiming there wasn't enough of it, and couldn't have been enough of it even if taken right after his last successful test, to have been a deliberate attempt at doping, so the question of how it got there was of less importance to them.

That doesn't mean the question is invalid, of course, but part of the problem now is that it's becoming possible to detect ever smaller amount of a substance in the urine or blood down to pg/ml levels for some drugs or their metabolytes which potentially means the detection of amounts literally 1/100000 part of a single 5mg tablet in a 100kgish guy like Whyte (if you'll allow for some massive oversimplification and wild assumptions in my back of envelope calculations) at which point you could be looking at unusual possible routes of contamination though you'd obviously have to suspect that at the least someone in Whytes gym or otherwise close to him was using... That's an amount about the same as fifth the mass of a single grain of salt assuming a tablet weighing a gram.

Now I don't know if the results they found indicte anything like a dose that small, but as long as the results indicated an dose a coupla orders of magnitude smaller (IMO I wouldn't be comfortable if they calculated a maximal dose any more than 100µg) than normal usage you'd have to think they've a fairly strong reason for thinking the results indicated some form of accidental intake however improbable it may seem.

[ShoulderRoll]

I'm not an expert by any means but I did google the microdosing of DBol and it doesn't really seem like it's a thing, but even if it were the metabolytes should have showed up on his other tests. Without UKAD releasing the specific metabolyte concentrations we can't be sure, of course, but given that he passed a rest 3 days earlier it's quite possible to calculate wherher the maximal amount he could have taken was in line with even a microdose (say 10% or even 5% the regular tapering/starting dose of 15mg/daily).

I think NADP have come at it from the angle that they don't know how it got there but they're claiming there wasn't enough of it, and couldn't have been enough of it even if taken right after his last successful test, to have been a deliberate attempt at doping, so the question of how it got there was of less importance to them.

That doesn't mean the question is invalid, of course, but part of the problem now is that it's becoming possible to detect ever smaller amount of a substance in the urine or blood down to pg/ml levels for some drugs or their metabolytes which potentially means the detection of amounts literally 1/100000 part of a single 5mg tablet in a 100kgish guy like Whyte (if you'll allow for some massive oversimplification and wild assumptions in my back of envelope calculations) at which point you could be looking at unusual possible routes of contamination though you'd obviously have to suspect that at the least someone in Whytes gym or otherwise close to him was using... That's an amount about the same as fifth the mass of a single grain of salt assuming a tablet weighing a gram. Now I don't know if the results they found indicte anything like a dose that small, but as long as the results indicated an dose a coupla orders of magnitude smaller (IMO I wouldn't be comfortable if they calculated a maximal dose any more than 100µg) than normal usage you'd have to think they've a fairly strong reason for thinking the results indicated some form of accidental intake howeverr improbable it may seem.

But accidental intake from where, though? That's what I'm trying to understand.

How does one possibly get Dianabol into their system accidentally?

[DaNeutral.]

If you are looking for drug cheats id be starting in the US of A. Its the mecca of cheating in Sport.

[Robbie Barrett]

Microdosing dianabol?

People that know **** all trying to talk like they do.

[ShoulderRoll]

Microdosing dianabol?

People that know **** all trying to talk like they do.

Do you have a source saying that it's not possible or effective? Especially when combined with other stuff?

I myself did come across this with a brief search:

For men:
15mg/day divided into two or three doses for 8-12 weeks. That’s a very low dose mind you. But it can get you good results. If you have run multiple cycles of Dianabol, then you can go up to 25-35mg/day.

https://www.jpnm.org/dianabol-dbol-review/#For_men