AJ Ruiz 2 Sky PPV ALONE generates $30mil more than Wilder Ortiz FOX PPV!

[Ray*]

AJ has an amateur pedigree and background that is superior to Wilder's.

Have you actually taken time out to study both Wilder and Joshua's amatuer record? Which is very similar to each other.

To claim Joshua's amatuer background is superior to Wilder is trying to sugarcoat things.

Moreover Wilder has made grounds with the number of bums he has fought in the professional level.

You post like Joshua just stays in the UK and fight bums, his resume proves you wrong. You should BE praising any boxer than went the route that Joshua has taken.

You can back and support Wilder without making ridiculous statement against his rivals.

If Joshua decides to stay in the UK and not leave it not because he is content on doing that, he is the man at that HW in terms of resume and the revenue that he brings, so the onus is on the ones that generate less revenue to come to him.

If Wilder generates what Joshua does for his fights, NO ONE would be on this board making comments about Wilder leaving america to come and fight others outside of it.

Even now that he makes way less people are content on him fighting medicore competition and crying low ball offers every time they ask him to fight Joshua.

[sunny31]

Have you actually taken time out to study both Wilder and Joshua's amatuer record? Which is very similar to each other.

To claim Joshua's amatuer background is superior to Wilder is trying to sugarcoat things.

Moreover Wilder has made grounds with the number of bums he has fought in the professional level.

You post like Joshua just stays in the UK and fight bums, his resume proves you wrong. You should BE praising any boxer than went the route that Joshua has taken.

You can back and support Wilder without making ridiculous statement against his rivals.

If Joshua decides to stay in the UK and not leave it not because he is content on doing that, he is the man at that HW in terms of resume and the revenue that he brings, so the onus is on the ones that generate less revenue to come to him.

If Wilder generates what Joshua does for his fights, NO ONE would be on this board making comments about Wilder leaving america to come and fight others outside of it.

Even now that he makes way less people are content on him fighting medicore competition and crying low ball offers every time they ask him to fight Joshua.

Yeah Joshua is stretching the theory that the "money is in the US" more than any fighter I've seen. Yes in terms of peak revenue it's still king, but he just made $85 million in Saudi Arabia, and even Canelo talking about fight in Japan, Saudi or the UK. Some of these guys are happy to pay a premium to get a leg in the market.

At this point Wilder-Joshua has to be projecting 1.5 million buys to justify a standard US PPV in Vegas

[The Big Dunn]

Have you actually taken time out to study both Wilder and Joshua's amatuer record? Which is very similar to each other.

To claim Joshua's amatuer background is superior to Wilder is trying to sugarcoat things.

Moreover Wilder has made grounds with the number of bums he has fought in the professional level.

You post like Joshua just stays in the UK and fight bums, his resume proves you wrong. You should BE praising any boxer than went the route that Joshua has taken.

You can back and support Wilder without making ridiculous statement against his rivals.

If Joshua decides to stay in the UK and not leave it not because he is content on doing that, he is the man at that HW in terms of resume and the revenue that he brings, so the onus is on the ones that generate less revenue to come to him.

If Wilder generates what Joshua does for his fights, NO ONE would be on this board making comments about Wilder leaving america to come and fight others outside of it.

Even now that he makes way less people are content on him fighting medicore competition and crying low ball offers every time they ask him to fight Joshua.

I know AJ had about 10 more amateur fights than Wilder and he was more successful, winning Gold while Wilder won bronze. that is why I said it is superior.

I don't post like that in any way. At no point have I posted or implied his resume is based solely on bums. Added to that, I have consistently posted how his resume is superior to Wilder's. There is no way you haven't seen that.

If he decides to take the wlad route and hide in Europe then the division and the sport as a whole loses. While AJ generates more, the US remains the fight capital. It will not help the sport if the perception of the fans in the biggest boxing market is a guy is afraid to fight where he got KTFO. That perception hurt the sport and the HWT division for years.

America is still the top market for boxing, so no one would expect Wilder to leave. same way you wouldn't expect Messi or Ronaldo to go to MSL soccer, or the top Rugby player in the world to leave New Zealand, or the top cricket batsman to leave India or England. I don't see how anyone can disagree with this point.

People are not content. They wanted Wilder/Fury 2 but Fury ran away and signed with TR. They wanted Wilder/Ruiz if he beat AJ in the rematch.They want Wilder/AJ.

AJ says he wants WIlder but he also says he wants all the belts and we know he has mandatory fights to get out of the way. The question is after AJ defends against Pulev and then fights Usyk (after he wins the vacant WBO title) will AJ fight Wilder?

I sure hope so.

[Jax teller]

I didn't say AJ would do it. I said I am concerned given AJ got KTFO by an obscure American and wlad is now his mentor. AJ, like wlad, can make money overseas so he may not want to take any risks.

There was no reason for wlad to hide, which made it worse.

Of course the fight makes more on PPV. I think the revenue from this weekend's fight shows that. Obviously both sides want control when the fight happens.

Wilder hasn't asked for an emeritus designation to avoid any opponent like Loma did so please don't compare them. Ducking whyte-he just waited to see if ukad would do the right thing. Instead, they "cleared" him.

I get that AJ, like Wlad, can make a great living by hiding in Europe and fighting bum after bum in front of massive European crowds. I am sure you wouldn't mind because that will keep a piece of the HWT title in England which is important to you.

Is that really what the division and the sport needs?

Mate you're just acting delusional with the Wlad there was no reason for him to box in America as there was no good competitors and he had a larger following in his home continent.

You're implying AJ is gonna be scared fighting bum lets face it you aint 'worried' you are throwing mud and hoping it sticks.

If any HW has a reputation for avoiding people it's Wilder.

He's spoke of freezing Whyte out for two years turned down career high payday to fight peasant and used AJ as a roadblock and Ortiz as a bouncer.

He's the longest reigning champ (incluing before AJ lost) but never unified.

He was 30+fights when he avoided Wlad because he wasn't ready 'Baby heavyweight'

He's turned down the most offers all career high payday up to (6 times his highest payday at one point)

He's only sent one offer to AJ this whole time and it over twitter but says he turned down the DAZN offer because business wasn't done with proper etiquette.

Wilder also said he's bound to Fox and Showtime with loyalty so he really should be the one sending the offers but everyone knows he's all talk.

[The Big Dunn]

Mate you're just acting delusional with the Wlad there was no reason for him to box in America as there was no good competitors and he had a larger following in his home continent.

You're implying AJ is gonna be scared fighting bum lets face it you aint 'worried' you are throwing mud and hoping it sticks.

If any HW has a reputation for avoiding people it's Wilder.

He's spoke of freezing Whyte out for two years turned down career high payday to fight peasant and used AJ as a roadblock and Ortiz as a bouncer.

He's the longest reigning champ (incluing before AJ lost) but never unified.

He was 30+fights when he avoided Wlad because he wasn't ready 'Baby heavyweight'

He's turned down the most offers all career high payday up to (6 times his highest payday at one point)

He's only sent one offer to AJ this whole time and it over twitter but says he turned down the DAZN offer because business wasn't done with proper etiquette.

Wilder also said he's bound to Fox and Showtime with loyalty so he really should be the one sending the offers but everyone knows he's all talk.

No, I am worried he will hide in Europe because I watched wlad do that for about 7 years and it hurt the sport and ruined the division.

No, he didn't help Hearn sell dazn units as we've discussed.

He is more than just talk, he has massive power that could end AJ's reign and possibly his career.

Lets be real-AJ's next fight is Pulev. Then Usyk. After that, do you think he will fight Wilder or does he take an optional defense against some European bum?

[Jax teller]

No, I am worried he will hide in Europe because I watched wlad do that for about 7 years and it hurt the sport and ruined the division.

No, he didn't help Hearn sell dazn units as we've discussed.

He is more than just talk, he has massive power that could end AJ's reign and possibly his career.

Lets be real-AJ's next fight is Pulev. Then Usyk. After that, do you think he will fight Wilder or does he take an optional defense against some European bum?

Usyks not a bum, he's got a bit of proving to do but not a bum.

Wilder is all talk when it comes to decent opponents Ortz 39-40 year old nobody atleast Povetkin and Wlad were 'has beens' proven at top level not a 'what could have been' that not proven anything and made hard work of guys like Dave Allen, what do you think Wlad and Povetkin would do to fighters like Allen? Wilder took 39 fights to build up the courage.

Also picked Fury after the Seferi and Pianetta perfomances are you gonna tell me Fury looked like a tough fight top HW after them?

If you want to be real, do you think Wilders going to make AJ an offer so that you can have some weight to the claim AJ is avoiding him?

[The Big Dunn]

Usyks not a bum, he's got a bit of proving to do but not a bum.

Wilder is all talk when it comes to decent opponents Ortz 39-40 year old nobody atleast Povetkin and Wlad were 'has beens' proven at top level not a 'what could have been' that not proven anything and made hard work of guys like Dave Allen, what do you think Wlad and Povetkin would do to fighters like Allen? Wilder took 39 fights to build up the courage.

Also picked Fury after the Seferi and Pianetta perfomances are you gonna tell me Fury looked like a tough fight top HW after them?

If you want to be real, do you think Wilders going to make AJ an offer so that you can have some weight to the claim AJ is avoiding him?

I don't think Usyk is a bum in any way. You didn't answer what you thought Aj will do after Usyk.

Povetkin used PED's to cheat after the fight with Wilder was signed and about to happen. That would be like blaming AJ for not fighting Miller after he cheated.

Wilder isn't the bigger draw so his making an offer isn't really going to do anything. AJ is going to choose who he fights. Before he claimed he wanted to fight AJ, but we knew Hearn wasn't going to have a US PPV to launch dazn.

Now he is saying he is ready for wilder, but we know he has 2 mandos to get rid of so wilder isn't next.

Please answer what you think AJ will do after Usyk.

[Jax teller]

I don't think Usyk is a bum in any way. You didn't answer what you thought Aj will do after Usyk.

Povetkin used PED's to cheat after the fight with Wilder was signed and about to happen. That would be like blaming AJ for not fighting Miller after he cheated. - I didn't blame Wilder for not fighting him.

Wilder isn't the bigger draw so his making an offer isn't really going to do anything. AJ is going to choose who he fights. Before he claimed he wanted to fight AJ, but we knew Hearn wasn't going to have a US PPV to launch dazn.

Now he is saying he is ready for wilder, but we know he has 2 mandos to get rid of so wilder isn't next.

Please answer what you think AJ will do after Usyk.

I don't know what AJ is going to do after/if he clears both his mandatories first. Who knows if Wilder or AJ will still be a champ. I'm picking him to beat Fury but even then that could easily not happen.

Wilder has given no indications he's ready for AJ he has literaly refused all meetings with AJ's promoter even when he made his own offer.

If Wilder isn't willing to fight on DAZN because he says the fight makes more money on PPV then 'let's be real' he should be making the offers because he's the one with the PPV networks. Also not making dumb 50% demands.

[The Big Dunn]

I don't know what AJ is going to do after/if he clears both his mandatories first. Who knows if Wilder or AJ will still be a champ. I'm picking him to beat Fury but even then that could easily not happen.

Wilder has given no indications he's ready for AJ he has literaly refused all meetings with AJ's promoter even when he made his own offer.

If Wilder isn't willing to fight on DAZN because he says the fight makes more money on PPV then 'let's be real' he should be making the offers because he's the one with the PPV networks. Also not making dumb 50% demands.

Jax would you accept a meeting knowing AJ has 2 mandos he must take care of? AJ says he wants wilder and wants to be undisputed. You and I know both are not possible in the next year because if he fights wilder, he loses the IBF or WBO title. He loses the WBO as soon as he signs the Pulev deal.

As for offers, again AJ is the bigger draw and has 2 mandos. He has every right to make whatever demand he wishes. He knows AJ is not a big deal in the US. If he can negotiate a 50% deal, good for him.

Face it the most money for both guys is a USA PPV that airs on PPV in England.

[Cobra Curry]

No, I am worried he will hide in Europe because I watched wlad do that for about 7 years and it hurt the sport and ruined the division.

No, he didn't help Hearn sell dazn units as we've discussed.

He is more than just talk, he has massive power that could end AJ's reign and possibly his career.

Lets be real-AJ's next fight is Pulev. Then Usyk. After that, do you think he will fight Wilder or does he take an optional defense against some European bum?

If my memory serves, HBO threw the Klitschkos off TV. Where else was Wlad supposed to fight?