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  • Scipio2009
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    #91
    Originally posted by OldTerry
    30% - 35% is fair for the first fight with the percentages being reversed when Joshua attempts to regain the titles in the rematch. If there's a trilogy it's a 50% - 50% split. Now who can argue against this?
    Because 30%-35% isn't fair.

    Anthony Joshua allegedly drew the UK PPV record (how Eddie Hearn had a verifiable number in hand within hours of the fight is beyond everyone, lol), and that would put the full UK take at $25m apparently.

    Joshua-Klitchko split $50m, for ****'s sake (plus their personal sponsors).

    Let's be real about the pie in play here with legit US interest in the fight.

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    • Kannabis Kid
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      #92
      Wilder is a 100% right though lol when he fought Stiverne and went to his first decision Stiverne was a champion he hurt him when nobody had ever hurt him and essentially ruined his career he was never the same after that fight. When they rematched Wilder demolished an out of shape Stiverne in less than a round.

      Now lets have a look at AJ he fights Ruiz gets beat up and loses ok cool it's boxing it happens but then he does a rematch against the same opponent who came in out of shape this time (not talking about just appearance im talking about cardio) and he moves non-stop to get the clear cut win for a boring decision. AJ won the fight but he didn't win the fans only the British and to make things worse Eddie Hearn is acting like Joshua is the best in the world because of this no he's not hes been knocked out already and now he fights scared for that reason we understand you got your cash cow back and that's a good reason to be happy but don't act like he pulled a Lennox Lewis and came back to knock out Rahman in fashion.
      Last edited by Kannabis Kid; 12-10-2019, 04:52 AM.

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      • HeadBodyBodyBody
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        #93
        Originally posted by Kannabis Kid
        Wilder is a 100% right though lol when he fought Stiverne and went to his first decision Stiverne was a champion he hurt him when nobody had ever hurt him and essentially ruined his career he was never the same after that fight. When they rematched Wilder demolished an out of shape Stiverne in less than a round.

        Now lets have a look at AJ he fights Ruiz gets beat up and loses ok cool it's boxing it happens but then he does a rematch against the same opponent who came in out of shape this time (not talking about just appearance im talking about cardio) and he moves non-stop to get the clear cut win for a boring decision. AJ won the fight but he didn't win the fans only the British and to make things worse Eddie Hearn is acting like Joshua is the best in the world because of this no he's not hes been knocked out already and now he fights scared for that reason we understand you got your cash cow back and that's a good reason to be happy but don't act like he pulled a Lennox Lewis and came back to knock out Rahman in fashion.
        I agree to an extent, that AJ did not make as big a statement as he could've with the rematch. With so many physical advantages over Ruiz, it would've been nice to see AJ break Ruiz down, instead of what we saw, Ruiz holding the centre of the ring in round 12 and imploring AJ to engage. It was a smart fight by AJ, yes, but as others have said, Parker was able to make similar adjustments against Ruiz mid-fight. So, aside from the clear diffiliculties that AJ has with mentality, it seems that he does not react well when someone takes the fight to him and makes him think. He needs a gameplan, and he needs to feel prepared and in control. This does not bode well for a fight with Fury, who is awkward and unpredictable, and whose bread'n'butter is making fighters have to think on their feet..

        As for AJ v Wilder, I'm not sure of how that would go, because Wilder is not a versatile fighter, so if AJ can negate Wilder's big punches somehow, then it might even be quite a straightforward win for AJ. I'm more inclined to think it would be a race to the KO though

        The fights between Wilder, AJ and Fury are all that matter right now. Looking forward to the Wilder v Fury rematch

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        • OldTerry
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          #94
          Originally posted by FreezeIzGawd
          You can’t be an ALL TIME GREAT if no one outside your sport has EVER HEARD OF YOU......

          To be an all time great or legend you have to transcend your sport....

          You can be good excellent even but not a legend if you do not transcend your sport
          That is the way casuals think but not the way those who analyze the fighters and their fights think. The skills of professional fighters transcends their notoriety. Joe Calzaghe was the greatest Super Middleweight that ever fought based on skill and fight results regardless of who knew about him. Also he wasn't an unknown just an unrecognized great. His resume' has corrected both of those issues.

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            #95
            Originally posted by Scipio2009
            Because 30%-35% isn't fair.

            Anthony Joshua allegedly drew the UK PPV record (how Eddie Hearn had a verifiable number in hand within hours of the fight is beyond everyone, lol), and that would put the full UK take at $25m apparently.

            Joshua-Klitchko split $50m, for ****'s sake (plus their personal sponsors).

            Let's be real about the pie in play here with legit US interest in the fight.
            Look, I'm just trying to be nice to Joshua fans out of hoping it leads to some reasonableness of thought.

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            • Noelanthony
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              #96
              Originally posted by FreezeIzGawd
              I am so tired of this.

              Offers were made.

              Got it.

              But isn’t AJ the A Side according to his fans?

              Isn’t everyone of his fights a lottery win for him?

              Then make an offer RIGHT then after the fight with an amount that NO ONE CAN DENY......

              Say Okay Wilder you have been talking SHYT....

              Let’s see who the best is.....

              You say you offered Me 50 million for the fight well I am offering you 50 million to fight ME......

              ONE FIGHT FOR ALL THE MARBLES......

              I HAVE THE GOLD AND I AM THE A SIDE.

              NO MORE TALKING.

              50 MILLION TO FIGHT ME HERE IN THE UK......

              NO MORE RUNNING OR DUCKING.....

              You can say why that’s too much for Wilder an$ you know what you might be right

              BUT

              If he beats Deontae than he is the first and ONLY 4 BELT UNDISPUTED HW CHAMPION EVER......

              You talk about damage control and repairing a legacy but NO instead we get the same “ NO ONE KNOWS WILDER CRAP FROM 3 years ago and a challenge to a cruiser weight”

              You can’t make this SHYT UP!!!!
              No I agree. However, didn’t skipper offer to pay Wilder more than 50 million? But you are right I’m a AJ fan but i want the undisputed fight. Both fighters have made peculiar decisions in various negotiations.

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              • Kannabis Kid
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                #97
                Originally posted by HeadBodyBodyBody
                I agree to an extent, that AJ did not make as big a statement as he could've with the rematch. With so many physical advantages over Ruiz, it would've been nice to see AJ break Ruiz down, instead of what we saw, Ruiz holding the centre of the ring in round 12 and imploring AJ to engage. It was a smart fight by AJ, yes, but as others have said, Parker was able to make similar adjustments against Ruiz mid-fight. So, aside from the clear diffiliculties that AJ has with mentality, it seems that he does not react well when someone takes the fight to him and makes him think. He needs a gameplan, and he needs to feel prepared and in control. This does not bode well for a fight with Fury, who is awkward and unpredictable, and whose bread'n'butter is making fighters have to think on their feet..

                As for AJ v Wilder, I'm not sure of how that would go, because Wilder is not a versatile fighter, so if AJ can negate Wilder's big punches somehow, then it might even be quite a straightforward win for AJ. I'm more inclined to think it would be a race to the KO though

                The fights between Wilder, AJ and Fury are all that matter right now. Looking forward to the Wilder v Fury rematch
                AJ is not a better boxer than Luis Ortiz and Tyson Fury if Deontay was able to find them he will find Joshua he is still very stiff and doesn't have head movement I think Wilder Breazeales Joshua maybe not in 1 round but under 8 for sure.

                Wilder might not be the most technical but he's more athletic than AJ and has straightened up his right hand quite a bit people just don't want to accept the fact that he can improve the same way people are saying Joshua was able to improve for Ruiz yeah I guess that extreme non-stop movement with very little offense in return is not going to work against people who are lighter on their feet than you are.

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                • MC Hammer
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                  #98
                  Originally posted by eco1
                  That is a fight were you don't know what is going to happen. If Joshua lands first it is also lights out for Wilder how as suffering trying to stay on his feet in the last round after Fury got up.

                  As a matter of fact, I got Fury by stoppage if they fight again.

                  Wilder never fights anyone and when he did (Fury) h lost the fight.
                  Okay lol. AJ isn't really a power puncher and Fury not knocking out Eurolevel 40 year olds but okay. His own promoter doesn't see it happening but somehow Fury gets the knock out? Wilders chin is A1 and has been tested we seen AJ and Fury's

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                  • eco1
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                    #99
                    Originally posted by MC Hammer
                    Okay lol. AJ isn't really a power puncher and Fury not knocking out Eurolevel 40 year olds but okay. His own promoter doesn't see it happening but somehow Fury gets the knock out? Wilders chin is A1 and has been tested we seen AJ and Fury's
                    We will see, one of us will be wrong and the other will be right. Nothing wrong with that.

                    It is 1-0 Fury right now.

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                    • thabanga510
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                      #100
                      Wilder is right, Joshua fought a safety first fight. We watched Floyd for years do it, but seeing Joshua and just his reaction to punches from Ruiz was comical at times. He can try that style against Wilder, but he will end up sleep. People do not give Wilder props for improving, but that right hand he landed on Ortiz was perfect. He didn't have to wind up and throw it form the heavens, which means he is learning.

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