So now bernard is in the crossfire of being stripped...How convienent?

[Hurlex]

yea but remember this guy (hopkins) is like wine...dude gets better as he gets older...the hopkins that fought roy jones would have lost to tito and oscar..he's way better now..also he wont retire undefeated but as one of the best if he beat sturm and tito..and who knows if he goes up to fight tarver

also hopkins lost to jones..but he wasnt ever hurt by him or stunned

[deuce_drop]

Out of all the alphabet belts, which one do you feel has more credibility?

ring magazine (belt)....they're the only one's with any kind of credibility..and the sad thing is they don't count as far as fights are concerned, and making fights...

[theironone]

I knew he lost his very first fight at light heavy and that he lost to Roy. I was just responding to whoever had said he would retire undefeated.

I meant as an undefeated champion, never being defeated while champion, if he retires while still holding the title

[PRboxingfan]

I meant as an undefeated champion, never being defeated while champion, if he retires while still holding the title

Sure, correct it now. I think Bernard is NOT the greatest middleweight, maybe 5th, at best. He has been lucky to not have the type of competition the other great middleweights had in their day. However, that is not B-Hops fault. He did fight DLH and Trinidad but they can be considered blown-up welterweights, too. DLH more than Trinidad, tho.

I say Jeff Lacy puts a beating on Hopkins the likes of which we haven't seen in decades. Imagine Tito - Mayorga but with Lacy whooping on Hopkins.

[theironone]

What do you mean Sure correct it now - you think I didn't know he was beaten twice, and how can you compare Tito - Mayorga to Hopkins - Lacy, since how is X like Mayorga
And when did I say he was the greatest middleweight champion!!!

[chilly9876]

poor howard eastman,robbed again...what has he done to lose his no1 spot?(he was wbc no1 wasnt he?)...he is more deserving at a shot at hopkins than sturm n felix are.

[theironone]

You'll find chilly i said he deserves a shot OR a name fighter, I never once said he was robbed, I don't think he would beat either Tito or X, but technically he's just as deserving as Sturm and Tito, he was no1 now he's no 2, anyways that's by the by now he's getting to fight for the mandatory against Taylor (no 3) so it looks like he IS getting his chance to justify his position

[Dark Destroyer]

poor howard eastman,robbed again...what has he done to lose his no1 spot?(he was wbc no1 wasnt he?)...he is more deserving at a shot at hopkins than sturm n felix are.

It's truely sad, i feel for Howard very much. It's things like this that will ruin his career. Don't get me wrong i would love to see a Bernard-Tito rematch but on a fairness level this is someones livelihood they are messing with by not giving him a shot. I hope he gets to fight Jermain or some other respectable name.

[chilly9876]

theIronOne when i said "poor howard was robbed" i wasnt being sarcastic, i actually meant it. I really feel sorry for the guy.

[theironone]

theIronOne when i said "poor howard was robbed" i wasnt being sarcastic, i actually meant it. I really feel sorry for the guy.

Sorry dude thought it was a dig heres some good karma