More proof Wilder made the right decision not going to DAZN

[ShaneMosleySr]

GGG is stuck at DAZN making $15 million per fight. Poor him.

[PotentialToast]

Wilder would have been better served signing with Hearn

[The Big Dunn]

Wilder would have been better served signing with Hearn

I disagree because there can only be 1 "top guy" for any promoter. If Wilder signs with Hearn, he becomes Cotto to AJ's Manny. Hearn would engineer everything in AJ's favor because AJ is younger , has the gold medal pedigree, and fights in sold out stadiums, he is also a Brit.

You don't want to put yourself in a situation where your promoter puts you in situations where the other guy has all the advantages.

[sunny31]

I disagree because there can only be 1 "top guy" for any promoter. If Wilder signs with Hearn, he becomes Cotto to AJ's Manny. Hearn would engineer everything in AJ's favor because AJ is younger , has the gold medal pedigree, and fights in sold out stadiums, he is also a Brit.

You don't want to put yourself in a situation where your promoter puts you in situations where the other guy has all the advantages.

That's fair from a sporting perspective, from a financial perspective, his moves over the last year or so have been nothing short of a disaster and he is lucky the judges were kind to him against Fury.

But in all honesty he strikes me as a guy who is not enamoured with money. For him making 5-10 million is enough and he is in his comfort zone with the people he is currently doing business with. That is the only way I can make sense of all this, people who defend the financial side of his decision making like the TS are bufoons. It's not defendable, the only thing that is, is the fact that money is not the be all and end all with him, he's still making a hell of a lot, and he has some loyalty and integrity to the people who have got him this far.

[The Big Dunn]

That's fair from a sporting perspective, from a financial perspective, his moves over the last year or so have been nothing short of a disaster and he is lucky the judges were kind to him against Fury.

But in all honesty he strikes me as a guy who is not enamoured with money. For him making 5-10 million is enough and he is in his comfort zone with the people he is currently doing business with. That is the only way I can make sense of all this, people who defend the financial side of his decision making like the TS are bufoons. It's not defendable, the only thing that is, is the fact that money is not the be all and end all with him, he's still making a hell of a lot, and he has some loyalty and integrity to the people who have got him this far.

You can only say it is a disaster if you know the substance of the deal. If it was a cash deal, possibly. If it was a GGG deal which turned out to be half cash and half stock, then its hard to say it is a disaster.

The scorecard that had him winning (Hazzard was the judge) was terrible. That stated, he did rally and get a KD in the 12th. That wasn't lucky.

Money isn't always the motivator. Posters that hate Haymon always point to the amount of the deal and say "wilder made a bad decision." because he never had an offer this big. Those same people will then fault Crawford for taking the money from Arum.

Athletes and entertainers turn deals down all the time. When you are financially secure you can pass on what fans feel is a great deal to take a better one down the road. Like Jay z said "NOW its million dollar deals, turning them down."

Wilder would always be 2nd fiddle to AJ if he signed with Hearn and DAZN. Maybe he decided it is better to be top dog for less than be the 2nd dog for more. He may earn less but he and his team will have control, which is often far more important in boxing.

[Curt Henning]

That's fair from a sporting perspective, from a financial perspective, his moves over the last year or so have been nothing short of a disaster and he is lucky the judges were kind to him against Fury.

But in all honesty he strikes me as a guy who is not enamoured with money. For him making 5-10 million is enough and he is in his comfort zone with the people he is currently doing business with. That is the only way I can make sense of all this, people who defend the financial side of his decision making like the TS are bufoons. It's not defendable, the only thing that is, is the fact that money is not the be all and end all with him, he's still making a hell of a lot, and he has some loyalty and integrity to the people who have got him this far.

wilder was the 4th highest paid in all of combat sports last year behind canelo, aj and mcgregor...hes the highest paid us born fighter....dude has made more in the last year than basically any current US born fighter has made in their career....

wilder is doing fine...stop expecting him to do floyd numbers and money...guys like that dont come around often...especially american born ones

just because there were glamour days of tyson, vander, bowe doesnt mean they are easy to come by now...the paradigm has shifted in the US....the big, easier, money is in US league sports where 30 years ago the landscape was different

wilder is doing just fine financially...he doesnt need hearn

[sunny31]

You can only say it is a disaster if you know the substance of the deal. If it was a cash deal, possibly. If it was a GGG deal which turned out to be half cash and half stock, then its hard to say it is a disaster.

The scorecard that had him winning (Hazzard was the judge) was terrible. That stated, he did rally and get a KD in the 12th. That wasn't lucky.

Money isn't always the motivator. Posters that hate Haymon always point to the amount of the deal and say "wilder made a bad decision." because he never had an offer this big. Those same people will then fault Crawford for taking the money from Arum.

Athletes and entertainers turn deals down all the time. When you are financially secure you can pass on what fans feel is a great deal to take a better one down the road. Like Jay z said "NOW its million dollar deals, turning them down."

Wilder would always be 2nd fiddle to AJ if he signed with Hearn and DAZN. Maybe he decided it is better to be top dog for less than be the 2nd dog for more. He may earn less but he and his team will have control, which is often far more important in boxing.

I agree with most of what you're saying...the only parts I dont... decision was lucky, he didn't win 5 rounds in my opinion, I bring it up because had he lost it would have been a disaster after turning down AJ.

Whether he gets a better deal down the road time will tell, I think the thing that you seem to be forgetting, and is a common misinterpretation is that Hearn stated that everything was on the table...the offer was based on Brezeale (a fight he was going to fight regardless) and two Joshua fights...but he was on record as saying a one off fight was discussed and they were more than happy to do that. Wilder never said him being tied down to a multi fight deal was the issue, his issue was that he wanted to know what Joshua was making...which again everyone can have their own opinion on.

I stand by my original post...financially speaking, no sense. Sporting wise, and him being the type of man he is I understand it.

If he goes on to make the lion share of a couple of 1-2 million buy ppv fights I'll obviously have been wrong.

[PotentialToast]

I disagree because there can only be 1 "top guy" for any promoter. If Wilder signs with Hearn, he becomes Cotto to AJ's Manny. Hearn would engineer everything in AJ's favor because AJ is younger , has the gold medal pedigree, and fights in sold out stadiums, he is also a Brit.

You don't want to put yourself in a situation where your promoter puts you in situations where the other guy has all the advantages.

Good point.

[sicko]

People need to stop counting Wilder Money and go make their OWN! Wilder is a Multi Millionaire and will continue to make Millions every time he steps into a ring so Wilder is VERY HAPPY with the way his career turned out for a guy who was OK with being a Journeymen just to feed his kids

Enough with this pretending to be a Manager or an Adviser when you can't even Manage your own F#cking Money that is like a Out Of Shape Trainer trying to train people to get in shape

Wilder is about to make a BIG Payday with Fury in their Rematch so he is clearly doing just fine on his own. By the way DAZN is more than open to come back to the Table with Wilder and make another offer, they was just apologizing to him for how their meeting was handled

AJ can say what he want but trust and believe that once the MONSTER Site Fee Offers Roll in for Wilder vs AJ (if and that is a big IF AJ beats Andy on Saturday) that fight will get done because it will be just too much money for BOTH being thrown around for either to not come to the table and make it happen

[The Big Dunn]

I agree with most of what you're saying...the only parts I dont... decision was lucky, he didn't win 5 rounds in my opinion, I bring it up because had he lost it would have been a disaster after turning down AJ.

Whether he gets a better deal down the road time will tell, I think the thing that you seem to be forgetting, and is a common misinterpretation is that Hearn stated that everything was on the table...the offer was based on Brezeale (a fight he was going to fight regardless) and two Joshua fights...but he was on record as saying a one off fight was discussed and they were more than happy to do that. Wilder never said him being tied down to a multi fight deal was the issue, his issue was that he wanted to know what Joshua was making...which again everyone can have their own opinion on.

I stand by my original post...financially speaking, no sense. Sporting wise, and him being the type of man he is I understand it.

If he goes on to make the lion share of a couple of 1-2 million buy ppv fights I'll obviously have been wrong.

FWIW I scored the fight for Fury with the 2 KD's.

With respect to your 2nd paragraph it reminds me of the Floyd/Manny situation. Not you, but others that say Wilder should've taken the dazn deal were ok with Manny turning down the $40 mil no ppv offer, even though it was the most he ever made, because the fight would generate so much more. Wilder is doing the same thing yet is getting criticized. I don' think that is very fair.

As for the deal, look at Bryce Harper. He turned down the Washington deal which in the news had a dollar figure that was more than the Phillies offer. However, when the details came out, the payment structure was just so crazy that people who killed him realized he'd have been be a fool to sign it.

That is why I maintain you have to really see the details and not just look at $120 mil. GGG's looks great when you read it. Until you realize he gets half in stock (and you never know what restrictions are placed on him selling it) then that sh-t look fugazi.

He may not even have to sell that much because Haymon's deal appears different than the usual PPV arrangement. Now if he somehow does 2 mil (i highly doubt it) then yeah, he will make substantially more.