So this loyalty thing Wilder was talking about ended...

[Mammoth]

Wilder is a total puppet stooge for Haymon who has complete control over his hired actor. Wilder is just a stooge who does what he's told. Say these scripted lines, punch this hired patsy, make these excuses up for ducking Whyte, Joshua, say this to sound like the baddest man on the planet.

Wilder is a fool. He has never said one interesting sentence in his entire career. Total fraud.

"Duck Whyte and Joshua"

[DaNeutral.]

Espinoza said "Dont worry Wilder, screw AJ, Hearn, DAZN and undisputed, stick loyal to us cuz we have the plan and you will be a bigger and richer star in the long run". But Espinoza and Showtime were asked to take another financial loss on Wilder and they said no thanks Fox can foot the bill for this one we lost money on the last one.

But the bond remains strong between them all. Wilder could very well end up on Showtime next time. Its no issue they are all together under the PBC banner. The shame is Wilder thinks its all lovely one big family where the reality is he is being used as a pawn in the business side of the sport by the top brass of the PBC.

[Guest]

Espinoza said "Dont worry Wilder, screw AJ, Hearn, DAZN and undisputed, stick loyal to us cuz we have the plan and you will be a bigger and richer star in the long run". But Espinoza and Showtime were asked to take another financial loss on Wilder and they said no thanks Fox can foot the bill for this one we lost money on the last one.

But the bond remains strong between them all. Wilder could very well end up on Showtime next time. Its no issue they are all together under the PBC banner. The shame is Wilder thinks its all lovely one big family where the reality is he is being used as a pawn in the business side of the sport by the top brass of the PBC.

A lot of people rightly think this isn't the fight to be making money on so I doubt there is any bad blood or shenanigans.

[DaNeutral.]

"Duck Whyte and Joshua"

That is EXACTLY what he is doing. Thing is i think Wilder beats both of them but he is definitely ducking them both for one reason or another. He wont fight them, either of them, they have both tried and weve al heard about Wilders text to Whyte about freezing him out and we all heard Wilder turn down 35 and 40%, fights in America and ofcourse the 120 million which Finkel then said they dont need Joshua they can fill Wilders calendar for the next 2 years with Fury and in house fights.

I think Wilder beats them, i believe Wilder thinks he beats them but for what ever reason he has refused to fight either of them and the evidence of that is really not hard to find.

[rickJen]

So basically, DAZN's offer of $7 mil to Ortiz for the AJ
was still intact, except that he's getting it in the Wilder fight.
In exchange, Fox gives up rights in some European affiliates
and handed over to DAZN.

It's beginning to make sense now.

[Curt Henning]

yeah wilder is ducking whyte to fight fury and Ortiz again

while whyte is fighting lucas browne and Charles martin

LOL

[rickJen]

'xcept Showtime is still left in the cold.

[Monzon99]

Is anybody here ****** enough to think Haymon would let Wilder fight Ortiz if Ortiz was still with Hearn? No chance. Ortiz is rigged to lose to Wilder.

[Monzon99]

Espinoza, Haymon, Finkel, Fox, Sulaiman all believe still that Wilder can still become the huge money maker despite ducking Whyte and Joshua. They still think they can pull off this fraud.

They believe the fans are ****** enough to keep buying Wilder's fake fraud fixed KO wins to 50-0. They know the media will keep parroting the Wilder is the baddest man on the planet fraud narrative.

Wilder is guaranteed to 50-0. They believe by then Wilder will be commanding about $30m per fight. Then they will have equal leverage to rig a Joshua fight to be a draw or whatever suits their best interests.

Right now Wilder has no leverage against Joshua Hearn but they pretend they do. You'll all understand in due time if you don't already.

Wilder making $3m tonight and Joshua making $85m vs Ruiz shows the massive leverage imbalance. That leverage imbalance is killing Wilder and Haymon. They are in no position to rig AJ and Hearn. SO they have to pretend to want one champion, one face BS though of course they have zero intentions of ever fighting AJ until Wilder has equal leverage, then they can rig an outcome where both upvalue each other.

[bluebeam]

Espinoza, Haymon, Finkel, Fox, Sulaiman all believe still that Wilder can still become the huge money maker despite ducking Whyte and Joshua. They still think they can pull off this fraud.

They believe the fans are ****** enough to keep buying Wilder's fake fraud fixed KO wins to 50-0. They know the media will keep parroting the Wilder is the baddest man on the planet fraud narrative.

Wilder is guaranteed to 50-0. They believe by then Wilder will be commanding about $30m per fight. Then they will have equal leverage to rig a Joshua fight to be a draw or whatever suits their best interests.

Right now Wilder has no leverage against Joshua Hearn but they pretend they do. You'll all understand in due time if you don't already.

Wilder making $3m tonight and Joshua making $85m vs Ruiz shows the massive leverage imbalance. That leverage imbalance is killing Wilder and Haymon. They are in no position to rig AJ and Hearn. SO they have to pretend to want one champion, one face BS though of course they have zero intentions of ever fighting AJ until Wilder has equal leverage, then they can rig an outcome where both upvalue each other.

All the belts are owned by pbc fighters. The champions in the heavyweight division are wilder and Ruiz. Not Joshua. So stop talking about a AJ vs Wilder fight.

Ruiz vs Wilder is now the fight for undisputed. And Hearn and dazn have no relevance to that fight.

After December 7th when Ruiz wins again, you'll have to find something else to b*tch about.