Comments Thread For: Wilder: Luis Ortiz is Avoided By Many - I Don't Avoid People!

[Califire209]

The only person who rates Ortiz so highly is Wilder. There are better fighters that he won't fight and he chooses Ortiz again.

How can you be so blind? He has fought 2 World class fighters in his entire career and has avoided every single heavyweight champion in his record reign.
Whyte has fought better opponents than Wilder and has a better CV by miles.
I don't know if he is scared or his management is scared of testing him but it's easy to be champ when you refuse to fight the best fighters.

Whyte B sample the man who is in hiding right now? I would love for the white fight to happen him and his Twitchy ass fighting style would be hilarious to see Wilder flatten this clown. He was going to Russia to face PEDvetkinn before he popped, and offered your hero 50 million dollars to fight.
Don't Focus all your hate towards Wilder,, Ruiz is the one who's crushing your dreams

[Angeljuice]

Unlike you, I don't base my dreams around athletic men. Wilder is a fraud, Ruiz is not.

[Angeljuice]

Whyte was cleared of any wrongdoing so Wilder can't hide behind that excuse.
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[Inspired]

You conveniently left out that Hearn knew the money was legitimate, per the article, and that they were willing to make less to fight at home. Everything you said conspicuously skirted around that, to talk about what Joshua makes, and what Schafer said, none of which matters. Hearn said the money was good, that a fight in the UK would likely make less, but Joshua wanted to fight at home regardless. You're throwing out figures, but money didn't play into Team Joshua's decision to decline the offer. Joshua's excuse for declining the offer was "for the fans", and you're working double time to make that not true. To each their own though bro. Boxing Scene reported why he said no to the offer, and I read it with my own eyes so I'm content to stop arguing.

-they obv knew the money itself was there.
-they didn't know what was in the contract, other than what finkle revealed in the espn article. No rematch clause, when and where wilder wants. ironic that given wilder later rejected a contract based on those reasons.

-"and what Schafer said, none of which matters."
of course that matters. AJ was responding directly to what Schaeffer had said..and the context around all of that was based on the proposed Wembley fight. What AJ was saying is 'it's easy to project big numbers when you're not the ones putting on the fight, if you're so confident it's going to do $100m, give me half and you take the rest'
in the context, aj and hearn were projecting $60m revenue, so paying AJ $50m up front would leave wilder with very little esp after costs (paying the undercard, promotion etc).
However it was all based around the proposed Wembley fight, as ive repeated.

-"You're throwing out figures, but money didn't play into Team Joshua's decision to decline the offer."
are you one dimensional? how difficult is it to understand?
$50m in the context of the actual proposed wembley fight.
The number $50m only came into it when Schaeffer said "it does $100m" "give wilder 50% because he brings the american market which is significant".
So aj was never going to accept $50m based on any other contract. it was always based on the wembley fight.
As a consequence when AJ rejected the offer he did so on the basis that it wasnt at Wembley.

A few extra points

-Wilder was a Showtime fighter. Espinoza knew full well Canelo vs GGG was in the works. Wilder would have known this and as a consequence he stalled the offers for as long as possible, with every excuse under the sun, until Canelo-GGG was announced.
-Showtime were the ones who asked the AJ-wilder fight to get moved to October, to avoid clashing with Canelo-GGG, because it's bad for business to have 2 superfights in the same month.
As a result, Eddie Hearn clearly stated they were going to have to move the fight to October..and since the weather is wet in October, it would have to be under a closed roof stadium ie at cardiff, 80k fans. THIS was then the basis of Wilder rejecting the offer, because 'there were no venue/date'.
-It's only due to the above, that the povetkin mandatory fight was enforced.As such, aj could fight povetkin in September at Wembley because it wasnt a superfight and didn't clash with the Canelo-GGG fight.
Months later, knowing that the plebs like yourself are too one dimensional to grasp the wider context, he dissed AJ saying 'they said they want to do the fight in the big castle, but later said they can't, then they did povetkin there, so they're liars'

THIS is the BS aj/hearn had to put up with. The extent of bsing and bending the facts/contexts from wilder and his team.