Comments Thread For: Showtime's Espinoza: No Sport Lies To Its Fans Like Boxing

[rickJen]

Why is Espinoza even concerned what other promoters/networks say?
I thought he's content with the situation of rival ent1t1es not working together to make fights.
What does it matter what the other rivals say when your fighters and their fighters are not meant to fight each other? Who tf cares?
Eveyone likes being island to himself/itself, who cares?
I don't get what this Spinoza guy is saying.
When you start cooperating with rivals, then I'll take you seriously,
not at the moment doe.
You're making no sense.

[Curt Henning]

You literally made my entire comment about Lomachenko. Hilarious. You what they say when a person starts deflecting...

lol...emotionally invested? im a white dude from new england...i could care less what happens to tank guy....but i can be objective

i made none of your comments...you literally have nothing to say...no real rebuttal....because you are the real emotional one...your thoughts on tank are subconcious and you arent even aware of why you make them

[Bronx23]

lol...emotionally invested? im a white dude from new england...i could care less what happens to tank guy....but i can be objective

i made none of your comments...you literally have nothing to say...no real rebuttal....because you are the real emotional one...your thoughts on tank are subconcious and you arent even aware of why you make them

Idk what your race or location has to do with what I said...but okay white guy from new England..

Lol either you're confusing me with someone else or you're ******ed cuz u don't have a clue.

[boxing90]

PBC might be single handedly killing boxing... all PBC fighters scream " that fight is still building or not ready" and nobody is a main stream fighter nothing wrong with the in stable fights at all.. but when you have good fights to be made like Tank vs Lomo/ Haney/Farmer or Spence vs Crawford man it sucks... Floyd with Top Rank fought fighters from other promoters so did Oscar and list goes on.. seems to me showtime might not be to happy with the way PBC has been running show.

Man it sucks waiting 5 or 10 years for fights...

[Curt Henning]

Idk what your race or location has to do with what I said...but okay white guy from new England..

Lol either you're confusing me with someone else or you're ******ed cuz u don't have a clue.

no..im talking to a guy who called me "emotionally invested" when that's the furthest thing from the truth....do you go around calling every guy that defends a fighter "emotionally invested", because ive seen quite a few who do it feverishly, or is that just something you say when you run out of facts and logic?

I keep challenging guys to show me a fighter, sans canelo, who is considered a top guy...that has done more than tank by age 24...I keep waiting...but get nothing

[lowblows420]

Gamboa vs Davis is the last upset of the year

[Scipio2009]

Fox side of PBC is the worst, aint got the balls to call that one out though

You got a lot of energy cooped up in PBC not letting Arum build Crawford off the names of folks he has no intention of making the deal for. lol

[Scipio2009]

How can this guy complain? He sold his soul to Haymon and now he's trying to buy it back! I remember when Espinoza was talking ****y when he had access to all of Haymon's fighters but he started to panic once Haymon started to move fighters to other platforms and now that he has almost nothing, he wants to biiitch! Good by Showtime. Espinoza thought he was on top of the boxing world when HBO called it quits on boxing which turned out to be great a business move. HBO seen how fighters, advisors, & promoters was demanding 3-5x the pay for fighting nobodies and now its coming back to hurt Showtime! F-off Espinoza, nobody feels sorry for you!

Showtime is fine, lol; basically giving FOX 13 top shows this year definitely hurt, but things will come back around in the long run.

FOX has 10 primetime dates each year, Showtime has 12 primetime dates each year, and the plan seems to be 4-6 PPVs per year.

We're basically talking about 30 dates here.

Wilder's getting 2-3 dates, Pacquiao is getting his 2 dates, Spence Jr is getting his 2-3 dates, and Davis is getting 2-3 dates [8-10].

You still have the 154lb situation to clear up (Harrison-Charlo 2 winner versus Julian Williams for the WBC/WBA/IBF 154lb title, with Erickson Lubin as the WBC mandatory and Lara set for a shot at the WBA, with a few other guys just under that ready to break out), as well as things at 168lbs (Benevidez-Yidrim winner vs Plant-Angulo winner for the WBC/IBF 168lb belts) and 160 (Jermall Charlo vs Korobov-Eubank Jr winner being upfront). [Easily another 7-8]

Then you've got the mix and match at 147 (Danny, Thurman, Porter, Mikey, Broner still, Ugas, Jamal James and Sergey Lipinets now, possibly Kell Brook) that can be good standalone fights to set up for Spence or Pacquiao. [Easily 5]

Then you've got Kownacki, Gary Russell Jr, the Pascal-Jack winner at 175lbs, and some folks who you'll try to headline with.

Being conservative, you have enough talent currently ready to headline that you should have 20 dates, on PPV/FOX/Showtime, covered, before you even start with the guys that might be able to headline their own date.

And that's before counting any of the prospects ready to break out.

Stars are stars, but FOX/FS1 has also gotten the opportunity to start developing some of their own stars, too.

Errol Spence Jr will likely be the anchor piece on FOX for his run, but David Benevidez, Caleb Plant, Julian Williams, Jermell Charlo, Joey Spencer, Adam Kownacki, and others are starting to stand on their own with FOX's exposure.

And Wilder, Davis, Jermall Charlo, Broner, Easter Jr, Leo Santa Cruz, Mario Barrios, and others (Claressa Shields and "Boots" Ennis; Haney too potentially) will be the core of the content on Showtime, with talent bouncing back and forth as needed.

[Scipio2009]

Al Haymon and the PBC played Espinoza for the idiot that he is.

Haymon has too many marketable fighters to be stuck with 10 prime FOX dates and 4 PPVs, and no broadcasters have shown their commitment to boxing the way that Showtime and FOX/FS1 have.

Don't be silly.

[Bob Haymon]

Nobody lies like Stephen Espinoza. Tank wasn't left out of the ESPN list of biggest puchers. The list only included fighters who are currently world champions and Tank vacated his title.