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Just a tidbit I reckon is interesting in regard to Fury's lineal claim.
I do not pay any attention to BKFC so I missed the Police Gazette bringing back their bare knuckle title.
The PG was like Ring in its day and its title was the closest thing to a sanctioning body title. It was the title everyone talks about, they are who awarded Sully his belt.
The PG is back, it is the real PG, from the Gazette, awarding titles in BKFC. There is not much one can say to fight it, Bobby Gunn is the official post Kilrain champion. In Bare knuckle. The heir of Sullivan's lineage.
I noticed while doing research into Ring actually.
One has to wonder, has Tyson even contacted them? Do they give a piss? Do they agree with him? Why doesn't Tyson Fury have a PG belt?
There is a historical caveat; Richard K fox is the Nat Fleischer of PG. In fact, Nat is kinda just a plagiarism of Richard's work. Black Dynamite is almost word for word The Life and Times of Famous Black Pugilists.
Anyway, Fox hated Queensberry and he did not like Sullivan. He awarded Sully the title but he kept trying to find someone to beat Sullivan. Because Fox did not want bare knuckle to become gloved boxing.
PG still awards the belts, including gloved belts, but they did so begrudgingly. If you're curious, yes PG is who awarded the colored titles too, no, I do not know why we call Sully undisputed even though there was a dispute within the org that handed the belts out themselves. I assume it is to reflect fan opinion more than actual official stances. Even I often just say "Fans made Sully's belt" because it's true. Fox is just the biggest fan really.
Sanctioning Bodies happen, no one gives a piss about belts, PG does not award belts anymore, the colored title becomes controlled by the black fighters themselves while the sanctioned titles are seen as superior.
End of colorline, color title no longer needed.
The bodies split recognition, Lineal is coined.
This is where Ring comes in as a kinda a copy of PG. They have a belt so don't worry about the bodies just look to Ring. They have rankings, they even continue p4p, they reprint Fox's articles as if Nat wrote them, they become the historical authority.
Undisputed champions come and go, no one cares about lineal
K2 happened, no one cares about lineal, Ring suggests Wlad-Ruslan under a 1-2 logic.
Tyson happens, BKFC is not a thing yet
BKFC happens, Tyson returns, BKFC has their own title, to be clear, PG comes in and partners with BKFC for new PG belts officially tied to Sullivan and previous PG belts.
Tyson continues to claim lineal, but has no belt.
Y'all reckon PG just does not give a **** about gloved boxing or does not agree with Tyson Fury and so will not acknowledge him as heir to Sullivan? Something more modern like Tyson does not feel any need to drop sanctioning fees on PG?
How should we see PG belts in gloved boxing? Just another sports belt no more connected than MMA or Kickboxing titles? A sister title, boxing is boxing?
Also, Where the **** is Big Davy Joyce?
Would you watch Tyson fight Bobby for the PG BK title? How about for the gloved version?
Y'all reckon Tyson should get a title? I mean a real one, what he has is pretense even if I agree....there's nothing in his hands, it ain't a title....and I do agree with Fury.
Anyway, doubt anyone else has any thoughts on it, but, jic, I would love to hear 'em.
I do not pay any attention to BKFC so I missed the Police Gazette bringing back their bare knuckle title.
The PG was like Ring in its day and its title was the closest thing to a sanctioning body title. It was the title everyone talks about, they are who awarded Sully his belt.
The PG is back, it is the real PG, from the Gazette, awarding titles in BKFC. There is not much one can say to fight it, Bobby Gunn is the official post Kilrain champion. In Bare knuckle. The heir of Sullivan's lineage.
I noticed while doing research into Ring actually.
One has to wonder, has Tyson even contacted them? Do they give a piss? Do they agree with him? Why doesn't Tyson Fury have a PG belt?
There is a historical caveat; Richard K fox is the Nat Fleischer of PG. In fact, Nat is kinda just a plagiarism of Richard's work. Black Dynamite is almost word for word The Life and Times of Famous Black Pugilists.
Anyway, Fox hated Queensberry and he did not like Sullivan. He awarded Sully the title but he kept trying to find someone to beat Sullivan. Because Fox did not want bare knuckle to become gloved boxing.
PG still awards the belts, including gloved belts, but they did so begrudgingly. If you're curious, yes PG is who awarded the colored titles too, no, I do not know why we call Sully undisputed even though there was a dispute within the org that handed the belts out themselves. I assume it is to reflect fan opinion more than actual official stances. Even I often just say "Fans made Sully's belt" because it's true. Fox is just the biggest fan really.
Sanctioning Bodies happen, no one gives a piss about belts, PG does not award belts anymore, the colored title becomes controlled by the black fighters themselves while the sanctioned titles are seen as superior.
End of colorline, color title no longer needed.
The bodies split recognition, Lineal is coined.
This is where Ring comes in as a kinda a copy of PG. They have a belt so don't worry about the bodies just look to Ring. They have rankings, they even continue p4p, they reprint Fox's articles as if Nat wrote them, they become the historical authority.
Undisputed champions come and go, no one cares about lineal
K2 happened, no one cares about lineal, Ring suggests Wlad-Ruslan under a 1-2 logic.
Tyson happens, BKFC is not a thing yet
BKFC happens, Tyson returns, BKFC has their own title, to be clear, PG comes in and partners with BKFC for new PG belts officially tied to Sullivan and previous PG belts.
Tyson continues to claim lineal, but has no belt.
Y'all reckon PG just does not give a **** about gloved boxing or does not agree with Tyson Fury and so will not acknowledge him as heir to Sullivan? Something more modern like Tyson does not feel any need to drop sanctioning fees on PG?
How should we see PG belts in gloved boxing? Just another sports belt no more connected than MMA or Kickboxing titles? A sister title, boxing is boxing?
Also, Where the **** is Big Davy Joyce?
Would you watch Tyson fight Bobby for the PG BK title? How about for the gloved version?
Y'all reckon Tyson should get a title? I mean a real one, what he has is pretense even if I agree....there's nothing in his hands, it ain't a title....and I do agree with Fury.
Anyway, doubt anyone else has any thoughts on it, but, jic, I would love to hear 'em.
Exactly, take yer snaggletoothed cro-magnon ass somewhere else. Yer britches ain't big enough for this work Tinkerbell.
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