Stephen Espinoza: Data show that boxing doing just fine, thank you

[BigStomps]

Great article! Thanks for posting Motorcity Cobra.

Suck his balls then

[Motorcity Cobra]

Boxing fans are mad because it's Espinoza defending the sport as a whole after DAZN had a horrible weekend. If Eddie Hearn was saying this you all would agree.

[tritium_arma]

So their “data” is just the average age of viewers and what some percent some people polled identified as fans of? How about useful numbers like average viewership, average revenue etc.

[Citizen Koba]

About time somebody stood up for the fans and the sport after DAZN surrendered to UFC this past weekend and made the sport look bad.



https://boxingjunkie.usatoday.com/20...fine-thank-you

Nice lil jab at DAZN there, man, you're getting as bad as Frankie2Shills. You two mfers need locking in a room together for an hour or so.

As to the article itself it's both good and not so good I'm afraid, if you read between the lines. Whilst it's great news that boxing is maintaining and possibly even growing in popularity in the younger age brackets what's telling if you know what you're looking at is that this is based on a survey of how people describe themselves, not of who is buying content.

What's con****uously absent is figures on who is buying fights and how much money is being generated, both as a $ figure and as market share...

It's all very well people calling themselves fans, but if they ain't paying for the content or going to the fights it's hard to translate that into an idea of how healthy the sport is in the US. This absence rings alarm bells for me - they ain't been shy with the figures for the demographics of age and ethnicity, so where are the figures for revenues and sales? IDK man, maybe I'm being unfairly sceptical and like I say the fact that people are at least describing themselves as fans is a positive, but if I was trying to make a case for the sport thriving I'd be pulling out sales totals - if they supported my case - not demographic splits of people who may or may not even be buying the content.

On a brighter note you would hope that these self described fans in the younger age bracket will grow into older fans who are actually putting their $$$s into the sport and inspiring the next generation of fight fans (and fighters) so there's that.

What I would say this article does highlight is that for the sport to grow more needs to be done to attract white fans (and women) in the US and as a PBC supporter (at least I'm surmising your support for PBC based on your unrelenting negative slant on every other promotion) this is something you might want to give some thought to if you're genuine in your claim that what you want most is for the US sport to thrive...

Fairly or not PBC has the image of being the promotion of black fighters and it's fans of being of significantly pro-black bias. If PBC is to genuinely become the dominant force in US boxing IMO it would need to grow beyond this (or at least change it's image) to find a way to appeal to fans across the racial spectrum and make efforts to broaden it's stable to both take a part of the Mexican market share and to foster the support of white fans.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Fairly or not PBC has the image of being the promotion of black fighters and it's fans of being of significantly pro-black bias. If PBC is to genuinely become the dominant force in US boxing IMO it would need to grow beyond this (or at least change it's image) to find a way to appeal to fans across the racial spectrum and make efforts to broaden it's stable to both take a part of the Mexican market share and to foster the support of white fans.

In music and sports whatever black people say is cool white people accept as cool and latch on. We set the tone for popular culture in America.

[Citizen Koba]

In music and sports whatever black people say is cool white people accept as cool and latch on. We set the tone for popular culture in America.

Is that holding true for boxing? The figures shown here - and Espinoza himself - seem to suggest that more needs to be done. Look man my only interest is the overall health of the sport internationally which means boxers from everywhere of all ethnic or racial backgrounds, but due to the prominence of the US obviously you guys play a massive part in that. I got no problem with, and in fact would encourage the support of black fighters, but if that support is excluding part of the potential audience then I'd say it ain't a good idea to ignore it, especially if PBC wants to become the dominant player in the US.

I know we got different perspectives man, but contrary to what you might think I ain't actually antagonistic towards PBC in any way, I point out the bullchit and hypocrisy from all the promotions whilst doing my best to support all the fighters... if you think I come in on you it ain't because of what you're standing for, it's that your methods and posts are becoming more and more partisan and less objective. It ain't a good look trying to spin everything so blatantly, you were better when you just selectively chose the articles that made your point rather than trying to tell folk how they should think about 'em by posting misleading titles and stuff.