Canelo is a one division lineal champion

[ShaneMosleySr]

When he was at 154, he had to beat Mayweather but he lost.

At 168 his path is beating Benavidez and then Callum Smith. Worst case scenario he would also have to beat Plant and BJS.

At 175 he just has to beat Beterbiev, who is the lineal champion.

12 of 17 TBRB titles are currently vacant. What man is he supposed to beat?

[QueensburyRules]

Middleweight and that’s it.

This is why lineal championships are all that matters. It tells the true story while the ABC titles allow promoters to hide the truth and promote.

- -U 2 dimensional lineal in a 3-5 dimensional world?

[QballLobo]

So GGG is irrelevant as he was never lineal at 160. Got it.

[ShaneMosleySr]

He’s not irrelevant but he was never a lineal champion. He had to beat Canelo and he didn’t.

So GGG is irrelevant as he was never lineal at 160. Got it.

[QballLobo]

He’s not irrelevant but he was never a lineal champion. He had to beat Canelo and he didn’t.

According to your original post lineal is “all that matters.”
So if the guy didn’t accomplish the only thing that matters he is thus an irrelevant nobody based on your own logic.

[ShaneMosleySr]

You’re putting words in my mouth.

For example, Ken Norton wasn’t irrelevant in regards to heavyweight boxing but he was never champion.

According to your original post lineal is “all that matters.”
So if the guy didn’t accomplish the only thing that matters he is thus an irrelevant nobody based on your own logic.

[Marchegiano]

Weight divisions only have lineal champions because fans do not know history for **** all.

There is no such ****ing thing as a goddamn lineal champion for a division that is made, curated, controlled, and defined by ****ing sanctioning bodies, duh.

Weight divisions are informal prior to sanctioning bodies. There is no division of men at set weights, period. Sanctioning bodies come in, they make divisions of men pledged to fight at specific weights, where the **** is the connection to Sullivan, his era, or anything else associated with lineal? No ****ing where.

All you have is lists that reflect and center around a past undisputed. Holy **** is that a worthless anecdotal title or what? At least Tyson Fury's lineal claim has some ****ing traditions and history to back it. This is just made up bull**** for the sake of making up bull**** to make some random ******* who can't be what his idols were feel better about not actually having the goods to be the man.

A ****in' consolation prize handed out by fans and journalists to fighter who beat the man who beat the man who at some point the line of men who beat men one was once undisputed, but, this **** we call lineal ain't himself undisputed so let's give him a consolation prize, call him lineal, and pretend like triangle theorying ourselves back to an undisputed isn't just ******, but also a bit limp wristed.

I know, some ******* is gonna do some **** like look up a mid 19th century LW champion and tell me I dunno what I'm talking about. Save yourself the time, effort, and embarrassment. Yes, there were champions who called themselves LW, MW, WW, etc. No divisions though, the champions themselves set the weights and negotiated with other fighters how much each could weight, similar to catchweight presently. Sometimes there's two champions claiming the same title, weighing different weights, and, never before the bodies was there anything like a stable of men fighting at a specific weight or range of weight.

That's why we have p4p. It's meant to be a title. Lineal is meant to be the old school title of the HWs. p4p is meant to be the title of the man who if not for weight could beat the lineal HW.

Y'all, in yer ignorance and arrogance, have ****ed it all up. There's no goddamn meaning in any of these terms anymore. Yer explanations are just as worthy as mine, yer made up bull**** just as valuable as my history, there is nothing left worth a ****. Just made up fan bull**** that's clearly designed to keep arguments going rather than anything to do with any of the tenets invoked in said arguments.

The most semantical thing you could call a champion is lineal or p4p. Y'all're ****in' dumb.

[QballLobo]

You’re putting words in my mouth.

For example, Ken Norton wasn’t irrelevant in regards to heavyweight boxing but he was never champion.

I’m literally going off your exact words.
If only one thing matters than anything else than that doesn’t.
If GGG isn’t lineal and that designation is “all that matters.” then not accomplishing it means he doesn’t matter. And if he doesn’t matter he is....irrelevant.

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

When he was at 154, he had to beat Mayweather but he lost.

The lineal title was vacant when they fought. Floyd wasn't the man at that weight. When you grow up, you'll figure out nobody cares about lineal at any weight other than heavyweight.

[b00g13man]

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