Am I the only one who finds Canelo extremely overrated?

[Abby26]

Emperor Canelo is the #1 p4p. if u dont agree then too bad fr u. suffer lol

[Thuglife Nelo]

So yes, being on a level with Lara and Golovkin - even a faded Golovkin - makes you pretty damn good, but no, for my money he's not he's just not one of those guys that are on a different level, although privilege, optimal matchmaking and great promotion are making him appear so.

Gtfoh. Lol. “Optimal” Did he have to Unify with Trout? GBP were the ones whom forced Lara?

Canelo fought a PRIME Lara and beat him. GGG coasted to not fight Canelo. If Taylor just fought behind a jab constantly, because he had the footwork to do so with Prograis - even though Prograis still caught Taylor several times with combo jabs - he’d probably still get the nod. Difference is Canelo performs, stylistically and fundamentally better than both those guys and yet look at his age. It’s not even a question how good Canelo is.

Context is everything. If Canelo beats Kovalev in great fashion - no jokes - even though we never saw GGG or Lara move up themselves - then it’s safe to say a Prime Canelo destroys a PRIME GGG. How many rounds did prime GGG go with Ouma, Rosado, or Murray?

Keep in mind... in those times GGG wasn’t even subjected to VADA even though HBO promoted it since 2011. Abel Sánchez is on record telling Greisman nobody told them to do it (VADA).

There’s another pic of GGG more roided than this.

[ReggieKray]

I'm sorry but I just don't see any one thing that he does that separates him from everyone else at the elite level. Sorry but he just doesn't blow me away.

Just curious, who do you think is #1 p4p?

[Curtis Harper]

Just curious, who do you think is #1 p4p?

This thread is not to be taken seriously

[Citizen Koba]

Gtfoh. Lol. “Optimal” Did he have to Unify with Trout? GBP were the ones whom forced Lara?

Canelo fought a PRIME Lara and beat him. GGG coasted to not fight Canelo. If Taylor just fought behind a jab constantly, because he had the footwork to do so with Prograis - even though Prograis still caught Taylor several times with combo jabs - he’d probably still get the nod. Difference is Canelo performs, stylistically and fundamentally better than both those guys and yet look at his age. It’s not even a question how good Canelo is.

Context is everything. If Canelo beats Kovalev in great fashion - no jokes - even though we never saw GGG or Lara move up themselves - then it’s safe to say a Prime Canelo destroys a PRIME GGG. How many rounds did prime GGG go with Ouma, Rosado, or Murray?

Keep in mind... in those times GGG wasn’t even subjected to VADA even though HBO promoted it since 2011. Abel Sánchez is on record telling Greisman nobody told them to do it (VADA).

There’s another pic of GGG more roided than this.

If you think that's logical argument, then that's on you man. ****, it ain't even a sensible triangle theory and nor do we need one anyway since they already fought.

Anyways I said my piece and I thought I was very complimentary to Canelo, if that ain't good enough for you then fair enough. Ain't gonna waste my time arguing with you.

EDIT: And man, o man. You actually calling GGG on PED use when Canelo's the one who got popped? You could have a bright career in politics, man, why you wasting your talents on here?..

[Scopedog]

I do think he's very skilled as a fighter, right now there are no obvious weaknesses to his game. He's got heavy hands, superb shot selection and combo punching skill, he's shown he has an A+ chin, and even other parts of his game that didn't use to be as good such as his defense and footwork have improved a lot. He's been fighting consistently at a very high level for a while now too.

It's just this miasma of grime that surrounds his career that bothers me. Many of his best wins I don't feel like he deserves, owing to the fact that every time there's a wack card in one of his fights it seems like he's the one who benefits. I know it seems backwards but if he'd taken Ls against Lara or Golovkin I'd probably respect him a lot more than I currently do. The way the WBC bends over backwards and the lingering su****ion that he was or maybe still is using PEDs doesn't help either.

[Szef]

The thing about Canelo is that if you take his resume by its results and names on paper, it's future Hall of Fame material. However, once you add context behind some of those names and wins, you'd find that it's not quite as impressive. He's a very accomplished boxer for his age, but that's due in part to the corruption that works in his favor. Is he still a hell of a fighter despite all that? Very much so, but there are certain fighters I just can't put him above right now, because his record's not clean.

for my money he's not he's just not one of those guys that are on a different level, although privilege, optimal matchmaking and great promotion are making him appear so.

It's just this miasma of grime that surrounds his career that bothers me. Many of his best wins I don't feel like he deserves, owing to the fact that every time there's a wack card in one of his fights it seems like he's the one who benefits. I know it seems backwards but if he'd taken Ls against Lara or Golovkin I'd probably respect him a lot more than I currently do. The way the WBC bends over backwards and the lingering su****ion that he was or maybe still is using PEDs doesn't help either.

Everything about him and his career seems manufactured, artificial.

Hell, even the notion that he's the face of boxing seems forced. It's like when Floyd retired somebody said 'all right the face of boxing has retired, now we HAVE TO have another one' and they picked Canelo.

Very good fighter, but with too many question marks surrounding him.

If his circumstances were different and he didn't get the red carpet treatment from the get go and he had it like say Golovkin, who wasted years of his physical prime trapped in Europe battling Universum, Canelo wouldn't be where he is today. He'd win a title maybe and that's it.

[FredRekk]

He isn't a generational talent thou, Elite fighter yes, generational no. He isn't Mayweather or Pacquiao or OLDH, RJJ etc etc.

This.

He’s very good, he lost to GGG the 1st time but he did arguably beat him/draw the 2nd time. He decisioned Jacobs quite easily.

His best performances were against lesser talented/mismatched fighters such as JCC, Amir Khan, etc.

He’s been marketed extremely well and obviously his gift decision draw against GGG shows it’s obvious the sport of boxing/Vegas is helping to protect him. From a business stand point it’s the smart thing to do, kid brings in the dough with his red hair and good looks.

He’s top of his class but as said above, he’s not even close to being a Mayweather, Pacquiao or RJJ type of athlete.
ODLH even faced stiffer competition more consistently during his career.

But hey, that’s how boxing is these days. Lots of cherry picking, fixed fights/robberies, delay of what should be mandatory fights, more focused marketing a fighter and on being “undefeated”.

It’s ruined much of the sport.
The best should be fighting each other at all times and whomever is on top at the end is the best of the best. Instead, fighters avoid each other in fear a loss will ruin their stock.
Fans are also somewhat to blame. It mostly derives from that whole Mayweather crap tho.

[moochi]

I'm sorry but I just don't see any one thing that he does that separates him from everyone else at the elite level. Sorry but he just doesn't blow me away.

Remember you are on a english language (US Based) boxing forum, which has a major Hispanic following.

Elite and Canelo don't deserve to be on the same sentence, in sporting terms anyway.

Canelo is a ginger Mexican - that is what he has going for him.

Ask any Canelo fan to tell you what his top wins are? What will they say? Liam Smith, Amir Khan, and maybe Kirkland? Or will they say Mosley? The reality is if you ask his fans that question, they will probably reply with 'what's GGG's best win?" then, even though that isn't the question nor discussion.

He is ELITE in business, that is where he has made his name, as he has known his brand and timing as well, with the social era and everything really hitting mainstream in the last few years.

I feel so sorry for Marquez and Barrera, Morales, etc. who WERE elite yet probably didn't earn 10% of what Canelo has..

Though from a business perspective, you have to commend him. He can't change himself being Mexican and himself being ginger in colour, so why fn not make a **** ton of money fighting fights he knows he can win and or rig judges... why not! He didn't run from fighting ppl and doing drugs for being dumb, that was all calculated.

[LetOutTheCage]

Nope he is defo overrated. Had a lot of dubious decisions go his way and still had to cheat against an old GGG. He's a proven drugs cheat so I will always question him and his fights.

Canelo is a good fighter but not a special fighter by any means.