Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Jacobs-Chavez, Spence, Beterbiev, More

[Bandman]

triple flop the best MW ever?? i think i know exactly who wrote that email. it was that G tard "boxing logic". that whole mess about triple flop being past his prime is a myth. its rather amusing how this argument started as soon as his competition got better. triple flop was just a fraud all along. he now owes rematches to both jacobs and derevy. and he'll DUCK BOTH!!

[Real King Kong]

I disagree with Bread about same day weigh-ins.

They need to be brought back. That way only the fighters that truly, naturally belong at the weight will be successful.

There are too many weight bullies right now.

In principle, it sounds good, but would only work if everyone agreed to simply not cut weight. Having fighters dehydrated on fight day is no good. I agree with bread that there needs to be a limit to rehydration and fighters need to be properly educated about rehydration. It was also interesting that he said fighters are allowed to manipulate weigh in times...should be standard.

[ShoulderRoll]

In principle, it sounds good, but would only work if everyone agreed to simply not cut weight. Having fighters dehydrated on fight day is no good. I agree with bread that there needs to be a limit to rehydration and fighters need to be properly educated about rehydration. It was also interesting that he said fighters are allowed to manipulate weigh in times...should be standard.

For the longest time same day weigh-ins were how boxing was done.

Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Hagler and any other great fighter you care to mention before 1983 did it that way. So I don't see why it can't be done now.

Other than the lack of discipline and shortcut mentality of modern fighters.

[Shadoww702]

In principle, it sounds good, but would only work if everyone agreed to simply not cut weight. Having fighters dehydrated on fight day is no good. I agree with bread that there needs to be a limit to rehydration and fighters need to be properly educated about rehydration. It was also interesting that he said fighters are allowed to manipulate weigh in times...should be standard.

If you kill yourself trying to make or seriously hurt yourself making weight then that’s on you! You also forgot these Champs and highly ranked fighters aren’t poor and usually the best team available from training to weight management.

These trainers see that sht and pounce on it!!! Look at Roach??? He KNEW ODH was a the Walking Dead.

That on you and your TEAM if they let you fight looking like that....

[Real King Kong]

For the longest time same day weigh-ins were how boxing was done.

Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Hagler and any other great fighter you care to mention before 1983 did it that way. So I don't see why it can't be done now.

Other than the lack of discipline and shortcut mentality of modern fighters.

Yea, but like bread mentioned, it’s become the norm now. Active fighters today don’t know anything else...making that kind of change would be resisted. Fighters would be faced with the choice of giving up their belts/rankings or taking a risk with their bodies. I like the idea of starting with mandated rehydration limits. Either way, none of these things will happen because boxing doesn’t have a universal governing system to enact these changes.

[Real King Kong]

If you kill yourself trying to make or seriously hurt yourself making weight then that’s on you! You also forgot these Champs and highly ranked fighters aren’t poor and usually the best team available from training to weight management.

These trainers see that sht and pounce on it!!! Look at Roach??? He KNEW ODH was a the Walking Dead.

That on you and your TEAM if they let you fight looking like that....

Yea, and some of it goes back to lack of education about proper rehydration like bread said. It’s a huge bonus to have a team who gives a damn, but at the end of the day, it’s the fighter who’s running the show.

I disagree that all these fighters are rich and have the best teams money can buy. Only the very top fighters are getting paid well, there’s plenty of fighters out there who are struggling to run a decent training camp.

[CaptainWalrus]

I hope GGG hangs em' up soon.

[aboutfkntime]

For the longest time same day weigh-ins were how boxing was done.

Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Hagler and any other great fighter you care to mention before 1983 did it that way. So I don't see why it can't be done now.

Other than the lack of discipline and shortcut mentality of modern fighters.

but back in the day there were only 8 divisions

so the difference between a small welter, and a large welter... was huge

there was often more of a size difference between small/large fighters who competed in the same division than there is today

but NOT saying that I disagree with you

I just don't think it matters that much

fighters get used to a particular weight, they acclimatize... and smaller guys get used to fighting slightly larger opponents... just like shorter guys get used to fighting taller opponents, they adapt their game/acclimatize

and guys who are killing themselves to make weight often pay the price... take a loss, often by being outworked in the last half, or by putting on a flat performance > complain about the weight > move up... it's kinda self-regulating... Robert Easter made that very announcement this morning on boxingscene

but not sure if there really is anyone who enjoyed success purely because they were better at making weight than the other guys in the same division

again, not really disagreeing with you... and I would strongly agree 100% if there was definitive medical information available about the safety aspect... and there could be, not sure haven't really looked into it

[CaptainWalrus]

triple flop the best MW ever?? i think i know exactly who wrote that email. it was that G tard "boxing logic". that whole mess about triple flop being past his prime is a myth. its rather amusing how this argument started as soon as his competition got better. triple flop was just a fraud all along. he now owes rematches to both jacobs and derevy. and he'll DUCK BOTH!!

Old GGG was most avoided guy in boxing a couple of years ago.

[aboutfkntime]

Yea, but like bread mentioned, it’s become the norm now. Active fighters today don’t know anything else...making that kind of change would be resisted. Fighters would be faced with the choice of giving up their belts/rankings or taking a risk with their bodies. I like the idea of starting with mandated rehydration limits. Either way, none of these things will happen because boxing doesn’t have a universal governing system to enact these changes.

then, maybe the IBF do have the right idea ?

not sure, but it is very easy to dismiss their 2nd weigh-in because they are the only sanctioning body who require it... and it is also easy for the fighters to dismiss it, if they do not value the IBF belt

maybe all of the organisations should manage the rehydration aspect

not sure why the available medical information contained enough justification for the IBF to insist that a 2nd weigh-in is required... but did not contain enough justification for the WBC/WBA/WBO to come to the same conclusion

to solve this issue, we will all need to pretend to be medical experts

tough one, not sure