Floyd's Thinking on Margarito?

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This is long but worth it. If you only want to read the parts about Margarito then just read the begining and then jump to Part 2.

This is what I think Floyd's thinking is and I wanted to know if you still feel the same about him. I think Floyd like myself thinks that Margarito is the next best guy out there at 147 but he wont fight him yet because he doesnt feel that he's fully prepared for that fight and he has a uneasy feeling about November 4th but he wont come out and say that because he thinks that people will rip him because he is so hated so he hides it by saying that Margarito hasnt beaten anyone.

I read a thread earlier with a guy asking what has Floyd done at the lower weights and I thought that was a joke of a question. No one has ever disputed what Floyd has done at 130-135 and at 130 he has one of the best resume's in history. He fought all the top guys in there primes and they were either champs, former champs, went on to be champs after him, or they were the highest rated contenders.

After the Chico fight when he talked to Merchant he asked for Naz to fight him but Naz wanted no part of that. Floyd then moved up to 135 where he twice beat the #1 guy in the division who was Castillo and he beat a great guy in N'Dou who alot of people picked to beat him or give him mad problems. N'Dou would probally still be a top champ now if he didnt run into Floyd. You cant dispute that hands down Floyd was the champ at 130 & 135. He was also turned down by Fretias and Lazcano has even admitted he turned him down.

After the N'Dou fight Floyd saw what Jones did against Ruiz and he wanted to jump straight to 154 to fight Oscar but Oscar said NO. Both Hatton & Gatti's promoters then admitted that Floyd asked for them to be his 1st fight at 140 but both said NO. He beat a very good & highly underrated fighter in Chop. He then fought a crappy guy in Bruseles but he still really had no one else to fight so I dont think he should get ripped that much for it. Floyd was Gatti's #1 contender after the Chop fight but HBO kept letting Gatti dodge Floyd until he couldnt anymore or he would have to come up off the belt. If it wasnt for that then Floyd wouldve never even had the Gatti fight.

Floyd again then asked Hatton for a fight. There are some on here who say both dont really want that fight right now but thats a joke. Floyd would stop everything in a heartbeat to fight Hatton. He just doesnt hype it up much because he knows that its no way it will happened. Its the same with Cotto. Floyd has always said he will definatly fight Cotto but we all know that Arum wont let that happened anytime soon. Floyd then moves to 147 where Zab is the champ. He wanted a tuneup 1st and picked Mitchell because he was the closest guy to Zab style wise. Meanwhile Zab lost but Floyd had already signed. Floyd couldve backed out the fight but Margarito already had a fight scheduled shortly and Baldy priced himself out so he fought a very tough guy in Zab.

He since has been again turned down by Oscar, Mosley, & Hatton. That means he has been turned down in his career by Naz, Lazcano, Freitas, Hatton, Cotto, Oscar, & Mosley but yet they rip this guy for not fighting anyone. Hes recent resume has still be much better then most in boxing and thats including the turn downs but yet no one gives him credit for that. They never answer the question of what is he supposed to do.

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PART 2

Now lets get back to Margarito because here is a guy who will fight Floyd. Floyd was big at 130, solid at 135, and small but perfect at 140. Watching the Gatti & Chop fight Floyd's body looks perfectly ripped and he looks very full. If you watch the Zab fight where Floyd only came into the ring at 146 then you can tell that he looks very small. Its weird because he weighs a couple of pounds more in the Zab fight then in the Gatti fight but he looks smaller and more drawn.

In Floyd's 1st 2 fights at 147 he fought 2 guys who were recently at 140 and 2 guys who were slick southpaws. It will be totaly different fighting Margarito who will come in at 160 and will be very strong. I dont think Floyd feels comfortable of switching from Zab & Mitchells style & weight straight to Margarito's style weight and thats not to mention the southpaw thing. I think he feels that he needs a tuneup 1st. He will fight Oscar at 154 because its for crazy money and he will fight Shane also. Even though Shane is big, Floyd probally feels easier fighting him because Shane wont all out impose his weight on Floyd. Shane will just hit hard but thats it. Margarito will put his weight on Floyd and throw non stop punches which will be harder to adjust to.

I think if Margarito was the same guy at 140 then Floyd would fight him because he felt so great at that weight but he doesnt feel like he's completely there at 147 yet. Thats why I think he wants to fight Baldy who is similar to Margarito but doesnt present the same problems. Floyd is probally hoping that he will come into the ring against Baldy at atleast 150 and he can fight a guy who is a righty, who will use his weight, but isnt good enough to beat him. This will give Floyd another fight to get adjusted to 147 and give Floyd a tuneup with a guy who is similar enough to Margarito where Floyd will feel comfortable.

Then you also have the trainer problem that I think worries Floyd and it also worries me. I dont think there's any way that Margarito can beat Floyd but I have been worried about them fighting in November because Im a guy who believes in strange things. If you thought about Floyd losing then it would be kind of like this. You can just picture reading a article after the fight where a guy says "we shouldve known things would be different in this fight". The guy then talks about how Floyd just fought 2 totaly different guys from Margarito, how Floyd didnt have Roger, how Floyd's corner men seemed lost, and so on. Kind of like Tyson & Douglass. I see it happened in other sports all the time. When something is different then thats when a top team loses or when Tito had to rerap his hands against Hopkins. Sure that probally didnt cost him to fight but when weird things happened then the guy loses alot of the times and I think that scares Floyd.

Thats why I think Floyd wants to have that 1 tuneup fight so he can be comfortable fighting without Roger and so he can see how it works. This extra fight gives Floyd a chance to get comfortable without Roger, get used to the weight, get used to the style, and get back used to fighting a righty. I bet anything that after this fight that Floyd will again try for Oscar but Oscar will say, "not until May", then he will try for Mosley because its a big fight but he will say that he needs some tuneups, but this time Floyd will quickly jump on the Margarito fight for Febuaray if the big money is still there because he will just all around feel much more comfortable in the situation then he does now.

He wont come out and say that because he feels that everyone hates on him so much and unfairly rips on him. No one gives him credit for those other guys ducking him but they rip his opponents who are still very solid. I mean who else can he fight? All you guys can say is Margarito. He's the only one and I think Floyd has a legitimate reason and deserves another tuneup because he is by far the smallest guy in boxing besides someone like Byrd at HW. There is no one else in boxing who is fighting at a weight higher then they should be and could even drop back down 2 classes. There is no other guy who is coming into the ring "under" the weight limit. He is only doing it for big fights and because he is so supet talented but he doesnt even get credit for that. He will actually soon jump to 154 which is crazy but he gets no credit for that.

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I give Floyd a lot of credit for what he did at 130 and 135. He fought most of the better opponents and beat them. He gave Castillo a rematch after his toughest fight. At 140, I think he did what he had to although not impressive. He wanted popularity and money and Gatti was the ticket. The only way to get to Gatti was to become the mandatory and that meant fighting Corley and Brussles. I didn't really have a problem with a tune-up at 147 to get ready for Zab. I didn't even really have a problem with him fighting Zab coming off of a loss because at the time I thought Baldomir was a bum. That being said look at Ricky Hatton. Yes maybe his team turned down Floyd but he beat Koz, unified titles with Maussa, then immediately moved up and fought a tough south paw champion in Collazo. I am of the opinion you don't criticize any fighter unless it is clear that they are hiding. I choose instead to just give a lot of credit to guys like Hatton or Winky or Taylor etc. that choose to literally fight the best. Floyd hasn't done that of late whether it be his fault, his opponents fault, his promoters fault etc. Bottom line other fighters of his stature have taken on more dangerous opponents recently. I haven't dropped Floyd in my mind at all... just moved other people up. The good thing is that Floyd has the power to change all of this by fighting the top guys from here out. Fight Baldomir, Fight Margarito, DLH, Mosley etc. Then he will have a string of tougher fights and will receive much less criticism.

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I give Floyd a lot of credit for what he did at 130 and 135. He fought most of the better opponents and beat them. He gave Castillo a rematch after his toughest fight. At 140, I think he did what he had to although not impressive. He wanted popularity and money and Gatti was the ticket. The only way to get to Gatti was to become the mandatory and that meant fighting Corley and Brussles. I didn't really have a problem with a tune-up at 147 to get ready for Zab. I didn't even really have a problem with him fighting Zab coming off of a loss because at the time I thought Baldomir was a bum. That being said look at Ricky Hatton. Yes maybe his team turned down Floyd but he beat Koz, unified titles with Maussa, then immediately moved up and fought a tough south paw champion in Collazo. I am of the opinion you don't criticize any fighter unless it is clear that they are hiding. I choose instead to just give a lot of credit to guys like Hatton or Winky or Taylor etc. that choose to literally fight the best. Floyd hasn't done that of late whether it be his fault, his opponents fault, his promoters fault etc. Bottom line other fighters of his stature have taken on more dangerous opponents recently. I haven't dropped Floyd in my mind at all... just moved other people up. The good thing is that Floyd has the power to change all of this by fighting the top guys from here out. Fight Baldomir, Fight Margarito, DLH, Mosley etc. Then he will have a string of tougher fights and will receive much less criticism.

Hatton fought Zoo because they were both Showtime guys and Hatton realized that Zoo was 35 and thought he saw holes in Zoo and his inactivity. Hatton had done nothing at all before then so dont act like it was so great. Then you boost up Mouse like he is something. Mouse is one of the worst fighters in the world and beat Harris because he ran out of gas. Cotto had already killed Mouse and so had others. Then Hatton beat a tough Callazo but lets be real about it. No one hardly even knew who Callazo was and Hatton only fought him because he thought he could win a title and he thought Callazo was the easiest guy with a title.

Thats why he is rumored to be going back down to 140. Look at what you said about Floyd giving Zoo the rematch. Alot of people thought Callazo won and Hatton wont even think about giving him a rematch. Instead he'd rather fight a joke in Urkal or run back to 140. Please dont put Hatton in the catagory of those other guys you named

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Hatton fought Zoo because they were both Showtime guys and Hatton realized that Zoo was 35 and thought he saw holes in Zoo and his inactivity. Hatton had done nothing at all before then so dont act like it was so great. Then you boost up Mouse like he is something. Mouse is one of the worst fighters in the world and beat Harris because he ran out of gas. Cotto had already killed Mouse and so had others. Then Hatton beat a tough Callazo but lets be real about it. No one hardly even knew who Callazo was and Hatton only fought him because he thought he could win a title and he thought Callazo was the easiest guy with a title.

Thats why he is rumored to be going back down to 140. Look at what you said about Floyd giving Zoo the rematch. Alot of people thought Callazo won and Hatton wont even think about giving him a rematch. Instead he'd rather fight a joke in Urkal or run back to 140. Please dont put Hatton in the catagory of those other guys you named

You misunderstand my post. Hatton isn't on their level and if he ever fights Floyd it will be proven. What I am comparing is their choice of competition. And you are right Maussa is not a good fighter but he had only lost once (to Cotto) and he did beat a legitimate tite holder in Harris. Floyd could have unified with him but he didn't so what I was saying is that Floyd didn't rule the division. On the other hand, you are wrong to downplay Hatton's victory over Koz. Yes he was older but he hadn't lost in some time and still beat Sharmba Mitchell badly in his last fight. Hatton didn't score a lucky KO, he straight up dominated him by being more physical and that was impressive to me. I definitely knew who Collazo was before the fight... I watched him win the title from Jose Rivera...good fight. And if I knew who he was, Hatton and his team surely knew about him. Yes they probably did underestimate Collazo but that is more a knock on Hatton's team than on Hatton. Collazo is a really tough fight for anybody... he is a southpaw and a slick boxer type. So if we evaluate Floyd's recent accomplishments to Ricky Hatton's... I give it to Ricky Hatton over the last 3 fights. Clearly Floyd has had a better career and is a better fighter but he just hasn't shown it recently. PS I agree with you that it is a ***** move not to give Collazo a rematch and it is exactly like the situation with Floyd-Castillo where plenty of people thought Castillo won the fight.