Comments Thread For: Banks Surprised GGG Defeated Derevyanchenko Unanimously

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Who has GGG beaten to be considered hall of fame?

He could’ve fought Saunders, Froch, Macklin, Ward, Charlo, Andrade.

All next level career defining fights.

Instead, his biggest wins are a robbery against Jacobs and beating bum ass Lemieux and Rubio

Do you actually pay attention or do you just regurgitate **** that you see?

Most of those guys never wanted anything to do with GGG when he was younger and most of those guys have never even been in the cross hairs because they were at 154 and didnt become relevant until at least 2017 and didnt become champions until 2018.

Saunders didnt want GGG and is at 168. Dude literally won the title in 2016 and his first defense was AFTER GGG/Canelo 1 ffs. He was also the plan if Canelo fell through the 2nd time around.

Froch wanted nothing to do with GGG and fought at 168 and retired around time talks started.

He koed Mackin?

Ward was at 168 and didnt want GGG when the fight could be made. He played hardball and GGG didnt bite. By the time he wanted the fight GGG didnt need him and offered 164 to which Ward said no. Ward couldn't even make 168 anymore.

Charlo and Andrade are career 154lbers who didnt even move up until around GGG challenged Canelo the first time around in 2017.

Literally you're complaining over nothing. Who did Ken Norton beat to get in the HOF?

You're so smart I want to know.

[deathofaclown]

hopefully he doesnt get fired like sanchez for a statement like that...

I’ve got a feeling that it will be his last fight with GGG anyway

When GGG said he needs more focus, I kinda get the feeling he things the training camps lack focus etc.. not just himself

[Gate_Keeper]

You can not be lied to in the fight game. You can lie to yourself, but the people you put around you need to be able to tell you what you need to hear. It's not about what you want to hear. Banks is there to train Golovkin on how to deal with the upcoming bout and to get out of the ring the same way he walked in. Everybody screaming for Abel Sanchez to come back are ridiculous. Johnathan Banks can not be fake about Golovkins performance because it is a direct reflection on his training. Banks said he never like GGG being matched up with Derevyanchenko, and I believe that. After a hard fought contest, it's back to the drawing board. Confidence and ego boosting mean nothing if it will end up getting you seriously hurt in the long run.

My problem with Banks isn't that he told the truth to GGG. The problem is that he broadcasted his lack of confidence in his own fighter to the world. What possible benefit is there to degrade your own fighter publicly? I mean just imagine that at GGG's next press conference his opponent says you really lost to SD! Your own trainer said so! And this time you won't get a gift win!!!. How's he supposed to respond to something like that and maintain confidence?

If you want to tell GGG the truth about the fight, fine you tell him in private. Speaking to the media has nothing to do with that, it's entirely different function and serves a different purpose which is why Hearn and Loeffler aren't trainers. Most trainers understand that and sell their fighter to the media in a reasonable way. It's not like GGG got knocked down 4 times, was bloodied up and had no chance of winning. It was a close fight in the eyes of most. And even with a fight as close as it was, he basically admitted to world that he gave up hope on GGG and that he really lost even tho he won. That's a terrible state of mind for your own trainer to have and is an unnecessary attack on a fighters confidence. It's also just plain disrespectful as a prominent member of GGG's brand to say that publicly in a fight that close. It would be like family members telling the world that you're still a loser even after you've won.

Confidence and ego boosting mean nothing if it will end up getting you seriously hurt in the long run.

But it wouldn't in the context I'm referring to. As stated the issue here is what he said publicly. But still no one is asking Banks to blindly lie to GGG in private and make him think he's better than he is. However, confidence in yourself has a direct effect on bringing out your full potential and ability. Lack of confidence can actually be damaging and can also get you hurt in the long run. Which is why you must have a healthy amount of confidence. And Banks basically telling the world GGG lost, when it was so close in mosts eyes, is a potential confidence killer and just becomes an unnecessary obstacle to overcome when getting GGG's confidence back. So it doesn't even make any sense if you're thinking as a trainer and not public spokes person, which is why most trainers don't say things like that publicly, least of all Sanchez.

And people aren't just asking Sanchez to come back because of that btw. GGG has shown no improvement under Banks and in fact looks worse. A bad matchup is one thing, but losing confidence and becoming hesitant in a fight is another. He's never done that with Sanchez not even with Jacobs or Canelo. Is it possible Banks had nothing to do with that? It is, but so far Banks is the only obvious change ftom before. And don't get me started on his weak in between rounds advice for GGG.

[j.razor]

Because you must always show confidence in your fighter to help build there's. After a fight like that, no doubt GGG is questioning his performance. So the more voices you hear insist that you did well, especially when you might be too hard on yourself, the better chance you have at rebuilding your confidence which will make you a better fighter.

How's he supposed to rebuild confidence when even his own trainer is basically broadcasting to the world that he lost and performed badly. That's embarrasing and kills any argument in favor of his performance. The trainers job is to make sure GGG has peak tactical ability and conditioning for a fight, not to tell his honest feelings to media. If he felt GGG didn't do things well, than you have that discussion with him in private and focus on the great things he did when talking to media, which is what Hearn and Loeffler did and what Sanchez used to do. This new guy hasn't seemed to help GGG at all, he needs to be cut loose

But Pvssy-G looks the same Don't go blaming the trainer if the tiger can't change his strips

[j.razor]

Originally Posted by johnnyblazz
Who has GGG beaten to be considered hall of fame?

He could’ve fought Saunders, Froch, Macklin, Ward, Charlo, Andrade.

All next level career defining fights.

Instead, his biggest wins are a robbery against Jacobs and beating bum ass Lemieux and Rubio

Do you actually pay attention or do you just regurgitate **** that you see?

Most of those guys never wanted anything to do with GGG when he was younger and most of those guys have never even been in the cross hairs because they were at 154 and didnt become relevant until at least 2017 and didnt become champions until 2018.

Saunders didnt want GGG and is at 168. Dude literally won the title in 2016 and his first defense was AFTER GGG/Canelo 1 ffs. He was also the plan if Canelo fell through the 2nd time around.

Froch wanted nothing to do with GGG and fought at 168 and retired around time talks started.

He koed Mackin?

Ward was at 168 and didnt want GGG when the fight could be made. He played hardball and GGG didnt bite. By the time he wanted the fight GGG didnt need him and offered 164 to which Ward said no. Ward couldn't even make 168 anymore.

Charlo and Andrade are career 154lbers who didnt even move up until around GGG challenged Canelo the first time around in 2017.

Literally you're complaining over nothing. Who did Ken Norton beat to get in the HOF?

You're so smart I want to know.

Pvssy-G is Ssssssoooooooo overrated

That Pvssy ducked Lara, B-Hop, S.O.G., Mall AND Boo Boo!

[j.razor]

My problem with Banks isn't that he told the truth to GGG. The problem is that he broadcasted his lack of confidence in his own fighter to the world. What possible benefit is there to degrade your own fighter publicly? I mean just imagine that at GGG's next press conference his opponent says you really lost to SD! Your own trainer said so! And this time you won't get a gift win!!!. How's he supposed to respond to something like that and maintain confidence?

If you want to tell GGG the truth about the fight, fine you tell him in private. Speaking to the media has nothing to do with that, it's entirely different function and serves a different purpose which is why Hearn and Loeffler aren't trainers. Most trainers understand that and sell their fighter to the media in a reasonable way. It's not like GGG got knocked down 4 times, was bloodied up and had no chance of winning. It was a close fight in the eyes of most. And even with a fight as close as it was, he basically admitted to world that he gave up hope on GGG and that he really lost even tho he won. That's a terrible state of mind for your own trainer to have and is an unnecessary attack on a fighters confidence. It's also just plain disrespectful as a prominent member of GGG's brand to say that publicly in a fight that close. It would be like family members telling the world that you're still a loser even after you've won.



But it wouldn't in the context I'm referring to. As stated the issue here is what he said publicly. But still no one is asking Banks to blindly lie to GGG in private and make him think he's better than he is. However, confidence in yourself has a direct effect on bringing out your full potential and ability. Lack of confidence can actually be damaging and can also get you hurt in the long run. Which is why you must have a healthy amount of confidence. And Banks basically telling the world GGG lost, when it was so close in mosts eyes, is a potential confidence killer and just becomes an unnecessary obstacle to overcome when getting GGG's confidence back. So it doesn't even make any sense if you're thinking as a trainer and not public spokes person, which is why most trainers don't say things like that publicly, least of all Sanchez.

And people aren't just asking Sanchez to come back because of that btw. GGG has shown no improvement under Banks and in fact looks worse. A bad matchup is one thing, but losing confidence and becoming hesitant in a fight is another. He's never done that with Sanchez not even with Jacobs or Canelo. Is it possible Banks had nothing to do with that? It is, but so far Banks is the only obvious change ftom before. And don't get me started on his weak in between rounds advice for GGG.

Well as much bullshet & lies going on about how Pvssy-G supposedly beat Jacobs, Nelo & D-Chenko its TIME someone told the truth through the airwaves!

[Gate_Keeper]

But Pvssy-G looks the same Don't go blaming the trainer if the tiger can't change his strips

But he looks clearly different. He has a much lower volume and was far more hesitant vs Derevychenko and seemed to have his confidence broken. He never looked like that in other close fights like with Jacobs and Canelo and Canelo landed more bombs than Derevychenko.

And the trainer is exactly who you should blame. GGG got to where he is by focusing on what he does well. The trainer should focus on those things and maintain them or get GGG to be even better at them. If he looks worse following the trainers advice, than yea, it's the trainers fault.

[ralex]

If his trainer thought he won how could a unanimous decision surprise him??

I bet Banks really thinks ggg lost

[TonyGe]

Because you must always show confidence in your fighter to help build there's. After a fight like that, no doubt GGG is questioning his performance. So the more voices you hear insist that you did well, especially when you might be too hard on yourself, the better chance you have at rebuilding your confidence which will make you a better fighter.

How's he supposed to rebuild confidence when even his own trainer is basically broadcasting to the world that he lost and performed badly. That's embarrasing and kills any argument in favor of his performance. The trainers job is to make sure GGG has peak tactical ability and conditioning for a fight, not to tell his honest feelings to media. If he felt GGG didn't do things well, than you have that discussion with him in private and focus on the great things he did when talking to media, which is what Hearn and Loeffler did and what Sanchez used to do. This new guy hasn't seemed to help GGG at all, he needs to be cut loose

Sanchez was let go mostly over pay and training methods but also what he said at the end of the Canelo rematch. If Golovkin loses faith in what Banks is teaching then he will be gone. It's hard to tell where they are at in their program if Golovkin was truely ill. Banks says he only wants two things but what he's said he wants is for him to throw more jabs. Stop moving back. Punch in combination. Up the pace. Improve his defense by using more foot and head movement. All that may be too much to implement for the first time against top fighters.

[TonyGe]

But Pvssy-G looks the same Don't go blaming the trainer if the tiger can't change his strips

Jay come on you don't even believe that. He didn't use his jab. He started gasping for air during the rounds and in the corner early in the fight. He was hesitant. Those things were different from even one year ago. He didn't make weight on the first try. Saying he was the same fighter as always is nonsense. If he can't make the changes that Banks wants that's another matter.