Comments Thread For: FOX Exec Expects Four To Five Pay-Per-Views A Year

[KTFOKING]

wilder has one ppv. How are u even comparing him lol. Just wait till this Ortiz fight.

Use your own logic. Mayweather Canelo does 2 million buys. Mayweather vs Guerrero does 950k buys and Mayweather vs Maidana 1 and 2 both did under 900k buys each. So yeah Canelo did bring half the fans. Common knowledge. It takes two to tango.

When you only do 330k (if that ) buys and you have such a big drop in a fight that is more competitive that tells U how much mikey brought fans wise to the fight.

So if Canelo brought all the fans, then his next fight should have done GREAT numbers right? He should have easily surpassed a million buys? Um no, that's not how it works. The match up itself was HUGE that led to those viewers.

Seen as more competitive? Actually going in, Mikey was a lesser underdog going in than Porter. Odds in that fight were like 3:1 opposed to 6:1 for Porter. And there wasn't "such a big drop off" but you just can't get that in your head. Such a big drop off is going from 330k buys to 200k buys. But this fight will likely near 300k buys.

And I've already mentioned we will have to see what Wilder does against Ortiz. That's an opponent similar to Porter in name value. A non-star who has never headlined a PPV. If Wilder does better numbers than obviously Spence will be behind him. No shame in that.

[QballLobo]

No choice. The viewing numbers don’t warrant enough ad revenue to justify the costs of putting on the fights.
Fox is available in 200 million plus homes with no cable sub. Pulling in a million or so views isn’t going to cut it.

[The Big Dunn]

I feel you, but honestly, before last weekend, did you think Porter would be on your list? Danny might be just as good! Now that Errol and Shawn are talking rematch, I would love to see Pacquiao vs. DSG! Roach has always wanted that, but the politics didn't work!

IMO, Danny v Errol should be on Fox. In general, I think mandatories should be on free Tv or cable and only unifications or big fights should be on PPV. So for Spence that would be Manny, Crawford or Porter 2.

Only Manny IMO should have all his fights on PPV right now. Spence is not quite there yet. If he were to beat Manny and Crawford then I would feel he would be.

[Scipio2009]

That’s the thing, no one is forced to pay for ppv. Just don’t watch it. I don’t want to see the fights on dazn so I don’t suscribe. It’s pretty simple actually. I will however pay for every lady PBC and ESPN ppv and I suscribe to ESPN+. Great time to be a boxing fan, so much choice that you don’t have to watch it all

ESPN+ still isn't doing it for me, tbh. And Showtime is having a somewhat down year (ShoBox is still delivering good fights, and Showtime Championship Boxing hasn't been to bad either), but I'm stuck in with the boxing they've got, The Chi, and some of the other shows there too.

[killakali]

ESPN+ still isn't doing it for me, tbh. And Showtime is having a somewhat down year (ShoBox is still delivering good fights, and Showtime Championship Boxing hasn't been to bad either), but I'm stuck in with the boxing they've got, The Chi, and some of the other shows there too.

besides castaño Lara name one decent showtime championship card

[killakali]

So if Canelo brought all the fans, then his next fight should have done GREAT numbers right? He should have easily surpassed a million buys? Um no, that's not how it works. The match up itself was HUGE that led to those viewers.

Seen as more competitive? Actually going in, Mikey was a lesser underdog going in than Porter. Odds in that fight were like 3:1 opposed to 6:1 for Porter. And there wasn't "such a big drop off" but you just can't get that in your head. Such a big drop off is going from 330k buys to 200k buys. But this fight will likely near 300k buys.

And I've already mentioned we will have to see what Wilder does against Ortiz. That's an opponent similar to Porter in name value. A non-star who has never headlined a PPV. If Wilder does better numbers than obviously Spence will be behind him. No shame in that.

U gloss over floyds drop in ppv sells vs guerero and maidanas ans berto after the Canelo fight. Hmm I wonder why.

As for Canelo after floyd wasn’t he over a mil vs cotto Chávez and ggg hmm.

U must not know how odds work. The line moves however the money comes and the Latino money obviously came in on Mikey. So they lower the line to get more money on Spence to balance the line.

Not one expert boxer or trainer said that Mikey has a chance. Yet plenty said Shawn would make a fight of it. Nice try tho

[Scipio2009]

besides castaño Lara name one decent showtime championship card

Wilder-Breazeale was a good show, as was the Easter-Barthelemy card.

You add the ShoBox cards that have been mostly fun to watch this year, and though it's a down year for Showtime, don't be confused.

There's an interesting card coming together for the end of October (Lubin-Lattimore, Easter-Granados, showcase for Ajagba), and we still have Jermall Charlo's show in December to fill in.

[KTFOKING]

U gloss over floyds drop in ppv sells vs guerero and maidanas ans berto after the Canelo fight. Hmm I wonder why.

As for Canelo after floyd wasn’t he over a mil vs cotto Chávez and ggg hmm.

U must not know how odds work. The line moves however the money comes and the Latino money obviously came in on Mikey. So they lower the line to get more money on Spence to balance the line.

Not one expert boxer or trainer said that Mikey has a chance. Yet plenty said Shawn would make a fight of it. Nice try tho

Lol. He average 300k ppv buys vs 2 fighters making their ppv debuts. So was he lmao. And u try to gloss over porters numbers vs danny and thurman and broner. Like those don’t count sure buddy.

Sorry. Averaging 300k ppv buys and your buys going down vs an opponent viewed as a bigger threat doesn’t make u a ppv Star.

If that’s the case morales and barrera were ppv stars too lmao.

He did an on number. Nothing more nothing less. Saying he sold 600k PPVs over 2 fights isn’t some great number it’s ok.

And for announcing his January ppv. lol. He said he only fights on ppv and when you are making 9 mil minimum it has to be ppv so pbc can lose less money on his fights

Let me put both your responses in one. Two different threads is annoying when it is on the same topic.

I glossed over what exactly? Buddy, you are proving my point. The right partner increases the sales. But saying Floyd did 950k buys and then the Canelo fight doing over 2M means Canelo brought in majority of the buys would be wrong. Because what did Canelo do in his next fight against Angulo? What he do against Lara? Then when he fought Cotto he did great numbers again. Again, the right opponent will increase the sales. But it is not right saying Canelo brought in majority of the sales against Floyd when his fight before and after Canelo didn't do nearly the same numbers.

Once again, stop using BS hindsight. Spence vs Porter wasn't seen by the public as this great competitive fight. The odds were a lot more in favor for Spence than the Garcia fight.

NOT ONE EXPERT BOXER OR TRAINER SAID MIKEY HAD A CHANCE?? ARE YOU F'N KIDDING ME? Stop embarrassing yourself. I'm not even going to entertain this BS statement.

And even if Porter fight was seen as more competitive doesn't mean it should have done more buys because of that. Canelo vs Lara was seen as FAR more competitive than Canelo vs Jr, yet which fight did more buys? That is another BS point.

So are you saying Porter is a big name? He sells well? Is that what you are saying? You want me to pull out the receipts of what you were saying when there were rumors of Spence vs Porter taking place on regular FOX and not PPV?

Doing 600k buys in your first two PPVs against non-PPV stars and against fighters making their PPV debut is pretty damn good. Not once did I say he is a superstar of the level of Pacquiao/Canelo. But I just said from the rest of the pack he has separated himself, especially Crawford. Now, I have to take that statement back a bit because I ignored Wilder and he has always done the best SHO ratings and he could prove to even do better against Ortiz on PPV than Spence did vs Porter.

Golovkin/Kovalev/Ward/Crawford had multiple PPV fights as either headliners or co-headliners, and Spence has proven he is just on another level than them in terms of star power and PPV buys. That is a FACT and cannot be debated.

[killakali]

Wilder-Breazeale was a good show, as was the Easter-Barthelemy card.

You add the ShoBox cards that have been mostly fun to watch this year, and though it's a down year for Showtime, don't be confused.

There's an interesting card coming together for the end of October (Lubin-Lattimore, Easter-Granados, showcase for Ajagba), and we still have Jermall Charlo's show in December to fill in.

Lmao wilder Breazeale was horrible. A terrible 1 round mismatch. Smh. Stop. Just stop.

No one is confused. This isn’t a down year for showtime. It’s horrible. Especially considering pbc has zero to do with the ShoBox cards. Just stop and admit it

[killakali]

Let me put both your responses in one. Two different threads is annoying when it is on the same topic.

I glossed over what exactly? Buddy, you are proving my point. The right partner increases the sales. But saying Floyd did 950k buys and then the Canelo fight doing over 2M means Canelo brought in majority of the buys would be wrong. Because what did Canelo do in his next fight against Angulo? What he do against Lara? Then when he fought Cotto he did great numbers again. Again, the right opponent will increase the sales. But it is not right saying Canelo brought in majority of the sales against Floyd when his fight before and after Canelo didn't do nearly the same numbers.

Once again, stop using BS hindsight. Spence vs Porter wasn't seen by the public as this great competitive fight. The odds were a lot more in favor for Spence than the Garcia fight.

NOT ONE EXPERT BOXER OR TRAINER SAID MIKEY HAD A CHANCE?? ARE YOU F'N KIDDING ME? Stop embarrassing yourself. I'm not even going to entertain this BS statement.

And even if Porter fight was seen as more competitive doesn't mean it should have done more buys because of that. Canelo vs Lara was seen as FAR more competitive than Canelo vs Jr, yet which fight did more buys? That is another BS point.

So are you saying Porter is a big name? He sells well? Is that what you are saying? You want me to pull out the receipts of what you were saying when there were rumors of Spence vs Porter taking place on regular FOX and not PPV?

Doing 600k buys in your first two PPVs against non-PPV stars and against fighters making their PPV debut is pretty damn good. Not once did I say he is a superstar of the level of Pacquiao/Canelo. But I just said from the rest of the pack he has separated himself, especially Crawford. Now, I have to take that statement back a bit because I ignored Wilder and he has always done the best SHO ratings and he could prove to even do better against Ortiz on PPV than Spence did vs Porter.

Golovkin/Kovalev/Ward/Crawford had multiple PPV fights as either headliners or co-headliners, and Spence has proven he is just on another level than them in terms of star power and PPV buys. That is a FACT and cannot be debated.

Huh? Kovalev Ward had 2 fights and were within 100k of Spence porter lmao. You are fishing so bad it’s not even funny.

No one gave Mikey a chance. Zero trainers. Name one who picked him besides his brother. I will wait lol.

As for porter not many picked Shawn but some did say he would Spence problems. No one said Mikey would Spence problems.

You still don’t seem to grasp how line movements work.