Comments Thread For: Porter: No Khan or Brook - After Spence, I Want Manny Pacquiao

[strykr619]

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Valid point.
Difference between the great SRR and PAC is SRR did not cherry pick fights, did not weaken other fighters to get any advantage and certainly did not duck anyone.

Also, 19 losses measure against how many fights?

Different era where boxers ad to fight multiple times a year just to eke our a living.

From 2012 to 2019 the only credible guys that PAC fought are Floyd, Bradley and Thurman. And he won one.

The rest were all crap

Are you kidding me SRR's resume is full of jobbers even when he was in his championship runs..... More then hlaf of SRR's wins were against bums as well still doesn't negate the fact that he is top 3 all time. Your just nit picking at this point, Pacquiao has 71 fights in his career currently NO ONE IN THIS ERA HAS THAT MANY FIGHTS period.

[Oregonian]

Are you kidding me SRR's resume is full of jobbers even when he was in his championship runs..... More then hlaf of SRR's wins were against bums as well still doesn't negate the fact that he is top 3 all time. Your just nit picking at this point, Pacquiao has 71 fights in his career currently NO ONE IN THIS ERA HAS THAT MANY FIGHTS period.

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I can’t speak to SRR’s resume on watching him. I have not.
What I know about him is what I have read.
I just factor in how difficult it was for a black man in that era to achieve success. Maybe he did fight bums so i’ll take your word for it.

PAC started his career really young, that’s why he was able to fight at the very lower weight classes and accumulate the number of fights he has.

I have never said I dislike PAC - my focus has always been his run from 135 to 147. Try not to make this personal and open up boxrec and scrutinize his resume and the guys he fought vs the guys he could have fought. If you are cool with it then that’s your thing I guess.

PAC could have made a case for GOAT had he cleaned up 135 - he did not and he fought David freakin Diaz only.
He could have cleaned up 140 but he fought Hatton only.

At 147 there were a bunch of fights that could have been made but he elected to fight bums. The thing that made me critical of him and look at him as cherry picker is when he fought Mosley. Bro, Mosley had just literally lost to Floyd. I can’t imagine what people would say if Floyd did that or if he fought Brandon Rios or Mathysse or Broner or even Horn.
I just wish Floyd fought both Bradley and Horn after they had beaten PAC so he makes it look easy.

[Pigeons]

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Valid point.
Difference between the great SRR and PAC is SRR did not cherry pick fights, did not weaken other fighters to get any advantage and certainly did not duck anyone.

Also, 19 losses measure against how many fights?

Different era where boxers ad to fight multiple times a year just to eke our a living.

From 2012 to 2019 the only credible guys that PAC fought are Floyd, Bradley and Thurman. And he won one.

The rest were all crap

Pacquiao's prime was in the 2000s when he won Fighter of the Decade.

[strykr619]

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I can’t speak to SRR’s resume on watching him. I have not.
What I know about him is what I have read.
I just factor in how difficult it was for a black man in that era to achieve success. Maybe he did fight bums so i’ll take your word for it.

PAC started his career really young, that’s why he was able to fight at the very lower weight classes and accumulate the number of fights he has.

I have never said I dislike PAC - my focus has always been his run from 135 to 147. Try not to make this personal and open up boxrec and scrutinize his resume and the guys he fought vs the guys he could have fought. If you are cool with it then that’s your thing I guess.

PAC could have made a case for GOAT had he cleaned up 135 - he did not and he fought David freakin Diaz only.
He could have cleaned up 140 but he fought Hatton only.

At 147 there were a bunch of fights that could have been made but he elected to fight bums. The thing that made me critical of him and look at him as cherry picker is when he fought Mosley. Bro, Mosley had just literally lost to Floyd. I can’t imagine what people would say if Floyd did that or if he fought Brandon Rios or Mathysse or Broner or even Horn.
I just wish Floyd fought both Bradley and Horn after they had beaten PAC so he makes it look easy.

The fact that your being ticky tack about him cleaning up 135 when he went to 147 and FOUGHT DEEPER competition is pretty telling. Your saying that he would be a ATG if he cleaned up a division of WEAKER competition? (IMO he would of been accused of Murder if he stayed at 135 and murked that whole division).

What kind of logic is that?

[Oregonian]

The fact that your being ticky tack about him cleaning up 135 when he went to 147 and FOUGHT DEEPER competition is pretty telling. Your saying that he would be a ATG if he cleaned up a division of WEAKER competition? (IMO he would of been accused of Murder if he stayed at 135 and murked that whole division).

What kind of logic is that?

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Alright, I will relent. Ignore my points about 135. You are still ignoring 140 & 147.

“Deeper” competition at 147? I keep listing Rios, Mathysse, Broner, Mosley etc and you are ignoring that.

[Oregonian]

Pacquiao's prime was in the 2000s when he won Fighter of the Decade.

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You can use that “fighter of the decade” to try to mask dubious wins over weakened opponents a well as cherry picking fighters after he got knocked the fudge out by Marquez, it won’t change one fact, PAC has 8 losses and fought a lot of bums after 2012

[Pigeons]

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You can use that “fighter of the decade” to try to mask dubious wins over weakened opponents a well as cherry picking fighters after he got knocked the fudge out by Marquez, it won’t change one fact, PAC has 8 losses and fought a lot of bums after 2012

Haha. Buddy, Pacquiao fought JMM, MAB, and Morales a total of 7 times in the 2000s and went 5-1-1 against them. They are all 1st ballot HOFers.

[Oregonian]

Haha. Buddy, Pacquiao fought JMM, MAB, and Morales a total of 7 times in the 2000s and went 5-1-1 against them. They are all 1st ballot HOFers.

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Did you not read my post? I am talking about PAC fighting at 140 and 147.
Unless you wanna tell us that the 7 fights against those three guys is what makes him a GOAT. He lost to Morales and to JMM (arguable)

You know Gatti-Ward was a crazy trilogy and Gatti is a HOF boxer but he got beat so many times. His fights were exciting too