Lomachenko's Opponents Combined Record is 431-39

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  • sugarsmosley
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    #91
    What lomachenko was and is still achieving with his amount of professional bouts is unprecedented and flat out incredible...

    the fact that it upsets so many people that they decide to delude themselves into believing otherwise, is indicative of a some kind of bias... shocking how upset people get when talking about a historically great fighter in lomachenko.

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    • sugarsmosley
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      #92
      Originally posted by lizard_man
      You have to look at how his opponents were ranked and viewed at the time.

      Tell me which fighters he has ducked or is ducking currently?
      Look at his username bro, he probably didn't actually watch the fights ..

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      • fourtheboys96
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        #93
        Originally posted by lolpz
        Let me act like Haney isn't 20 years old and turnd pro at age 17, then compare his professional record to a two time Olympic Gold Medalist who had an extensive amateur record of 400 fights.

        Then I'll make a thread about... I hope this hypes up the older much more experienced fighter who seems to want no part of the 20 year old at the moment, for whatever reason. Maybe this glorification will deflect the duck and raise his superiority even further.
        Okay. So how many losses did Haney has in the amateurs. Loma has 1.

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          #94
          Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
          You obviously didn’t read this thread thoroughly and carefully.

          Had you, you’d have seen how many posters disagreed with elevating him above ATG and hof’ers just like with Loma.

          Why haven’t you denigrated the Loma win by saying he brought Rigo up 2 weight classes?

          You are the perfect example of what happens on NSB with Loma. You don’t hold him to the same standard you hold others.

          You and others unfairly put him in the conversation with ATG fighters when they have all done 5-20 times the amount of professional work Loma has done.

          What is the real reason you put Loma into a conversation with ATG fighters when all has done is won 13 fights and won one FOTY award? Is it because the list of ATG fighters post 1980 don’t include a lot of people that look like you?

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          • Lomadeaux
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            #95
            Originally posted by Chollo Vista
            Dude, in your own OP, you compared Loma to Haney and Davis. You knew exactly what you were doing when you did that. You were showing how quickly Loma excelled compared to fighters currently in his weight class (e.g. Haney/Davis).

            You've followed the sport for some time, I think. Now all of a sudden you can't pull "average" fighters first 15-20 fights, but yet you were able to take Haney and Tank Davis's opponents records combined?

            Now all of a sudden "it's too hard"?

            I'm asking you a simple question. Based off your experience, how many fights does 400 amateur fights equate too at the professional level?

            I didn't say one thing about title fights. I asked how many fights does 400 amateur fights equate too compared to the average fighter who normally has throw away fights in their first 15-20 fights?
            Yes, I compared an absolute great fighter to fighters that dumb ass Boxing Scene posters think can beat Loma..

            Buddy, that question in general is almost silly to begin with. It's a nice theory question but once again, very difficult to answer. You can't put a number on it. Look at Broner for example. He said he had over 300 amateur fights (probably not true) and it took him 3 years to fight for a world title.

            Davis and Haney had a strong amateur background. Very strong, but have been brought along slowly.

            I haven't "followed" this sport for some time. I've lived this sport for a LONG time.

            If you're asking whats Loma's specific amateur background equivalent to in Pro fights? I'd say by the time he won gold in '08 he would have become world champion within a year of turning pro. Hell, he could have done the same thing he's doing right now. I'm not sure how many amateur fights he had at that point. I'm guessing 275+.

            Also; they're not "throw-away" fights. And calling them that is what gets fighters hurt.

            You're being way too literal on a boxing forum. These type of questions are answered within the 'brain' of a fighter.
            Last edited by Lomadeaux; 04-15-2020, 06:59 AM.

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              #96
              Originally posted by Nay_Sayer
              This is the other question which needs to be answered. Most professionals have anywhere from 100-200 amateur fights. Lomfako, OTOH, has more than 400 - which begs the question; If this guy is soooo good then WHY did it take him so long to turn Pro?
              Because the mother ****er was busy winning TWO GOLD MEDALS... Then won a WORLD TITLE IN HIS 3RD PRO FIGHT... now he's going to UNIFY A DIVISION.

              I swear... dumb mother ****ers like you need to be sterilized.

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              • Lomadeaux
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                #97
                Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
                I like how some of these casuals like to use Loma's age against him. Rigo was 28 when he turned pro, but all the Loma haters were riding his d!ck, he was P4P #1, he was a great fighter! So Loma had an age advantage but Rigo didn't?

                Is Tank still too young at 25 to fight Loma, or does he need more time? What's his next excuse?
                This is pretty funny.

                Btw, I picked Rigo in the Loma fight. I'm sure there's proof somewhere.

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                • Chollo Vista
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                  #98
                  Originally posted by Lomadeaux

                  If you're asking whats Loma's specific amateur background equivalent to in Pro fights? I'd say by the time he won gold in '08 he would have become world champion within a year of turning pro. I'm not sure how many amateur fights he had at that point. I'm guessing 275+.
                  Finally, a concrete answer you knew you were capable of giving the first time around.

                  I'd be the first to say he's a remarkable fighter, which is why you'd never hear me say anything bad about the man. He does have a willingness to face the best in his weight class even though I'd wish he'd fight Pac at 140, but that's another discussion.

                  Here's my take on the question I asked you. With Loma's 400 amateur fights, I'd say that would put him at/around 35-40 professional fights, at least, if not more... His experience is greater than 16 pro fights. That's for sure, which is why your comparison to Haney/Davis is flawed.
                  Last edited by Chollo Vista; 04-15-2020, 07:01 AM.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by sugarsmosley
                    What lomachenko was and is still achieving with his amount of professional bouts is unprecedented and flat out incredible...

                    the fact that it upsets so many people that they decide to delude themselves into believing otherwise, is indicative of a some kind of bias... shocking how upset people get when talking about a historically great fighter in lomachenko.
                    This is such a false narrative that it had to be addressed.

                    Loma winning a world title so early is for 2 reasons

                    1-he turned pro at 25, had 6 quasi pro fights under his belt, and was backed by a powerful promoter who got him the title shot ahead of others who had fought professionally longer.

                    And

                    2- he is highly skilled fighter with an incredible work ethic developed during arguably the greatest amateur career ever.

                    The bias is the Loma fans that focus only on the 2nd reason and pretend the 1st one doesn’t exist.

                    No one is upset that Loma is great. And let’s be clear what you are really saying ( but too cowardly to just post it because you know it’s untrue) is the non white fans are upset that Loma is great. This is absolute BS.

                    Posters are upset that Loma gets elevated by posters such as yourself into a class of fighter his career hasn’t placed him in.

                    No one denies he is arguably the top p4p fighter in boxing. The problems start when posters (many of whom have been banned for racism) put him on the list of ATG fighters when his career hasn’t warranted it.
                    Last edited by The Big Dunn; 04-15-2020, 07:30 AM.

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                    • Lomadeaux
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                      #100
                      Originally posted by sugarsmosley
                      What lomachenko was and is still achieving with his amount of professional bouts is unprecedented and flat out incredible...

                      the fact that it upsets so many people that they decide to delude themselves into believing otherwise, is indicative of a some kind of bias... shocking how upset people get when talking about a historically great fighter in lomachenko.
                      Very good post.

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