Comments Thread For: Fury's Coach: Tyson is Lineal Champ Until Someone Beats Him!

[tokon]

Add his trainer to the long list of trainers, managers and promoters that turn a blind eye to PED use by boxers.

Fury lost any title he had when he got banned after failing a drug test for steroids.

[Dramacyde]

I doubt there will ever be a rematch. Fury is terrified of Wilder's right hand. He'll most likely take the step aside money that Team Wilder has offered him.

[5000boxing]

Fury is a PED Cheat!!! An this whack azz coach said 90% of the world thought Fury won.. Wtf.. How did he conduct this calculation? Lying p.o.s! I can do the same shyt.. 90% of gypies thought Wilder won! See how easy that is... I love how people put Furys best an only two punches on a gif.. An repost that gif everywhere.. Like Fury was fighting an not running all night. What about the part of the fight where Fury was lying on his neck? Lol. Wilder didn't go down.. Wasn't even hurt! An those two light punches is all that Fury done in that entire 12rds! Sorry! That's not enough to take the belt away from the Champion! First four rounds where swing.. Add Wilders two 10-8 rounds an the punishing bodywork and Wilder won that fight easily!

[5000boxing]

Last time I checked.. Fury lost that title for PED use 2years ago!!! Fury was never on coke.. That was a cover story! Fury wore 400 pounds.. Cokeheads don't gain weight! LMAO! And he used that fat burner ped to lose hundred pounds in less than a year for his comeback! The truth is.. He said some antisemitic shyt.. An something about gayz.. An the powers that be shut that fool down. Soon as he returns he is training in his underwear an kissing men in the mouth at weigh ins! Smfh.. U can't make this shyt up! LMAO!

[MulaKO]

Lineal my fughin balls

So had he lost to Schwartz , does Schwartz become lineal champion

Does anyone else see where the problem lies

[nubianpiye]

With that logic I guess Floyd is still lineal as he never lost the title in the ring and being retired as Fury claimed he was or banned for riding doesn't matter.

[Removed Now]

lets work on the undisputed champion first then worry about the lineal championship later.

[bigjavi973]

He’s the latest lineal champion but he retired so there currently isn’t a heavyweight champion.

he didnt permanently retire and he also stated that he was gonna come back anyway.


hes still the lineal champion like it or not.

[Marchegiano]

Retiring doesn't stop a lineal claim. If it did Peter Maher would be champion.

CBZ is inconsistent as ****. If they weren't old and behind I wouldn't do so much research.


The only grounds for taking lineal away from Fury is by consensus. There's no tradition he's broken. There's no 'rule' he didn't adhere to. Y'all say this stuff about the lineal title as if those are not the exact reasons why boxing stripped the power of the lineal and exalted the power of sanctioning bodies.

lineal champions before sanctioning bodies retired and reclaimed their title without fighting at all during their "comeback" they simply came back as champion. Plenty of them fought drunk too. You can't be stripped of lineal for substance abuse or retiring. Those things have happened and we have history for them.


You can however be stripped by the fans for any reason. I know, I said he didn't break any traditions and that's true, but, who is champion is a fan consensus until sanctioning bodies AND there have been lineals stripped because the fans no longer saw them as the best even though they did not lose.

Jem Ward never lost to Deaf Burke but Deaf Burke was seen as champion as Jem Ward kept pulling BS to not fight him.

On CBZ, just to point out their BAD history, take a look at when they claim Ward retired and Burke was champion. It'll look nice and clean. Ward's gone by 1832 and then Burke is champ in 1833.

So why the **** is Burke trying to fight Jem in 1834? Because Jem was still seen as the champion actually. Fans did not strip him in 1832 and he did not relinquish his title to Burke. As Burke won title fights Jem would announce his return to boxing, fight no one, and request more money out of Burke, get that money, and retire again. Repeatedly.

Eventually the fans have enough of Ward's bull**** and in 1837 they bring Burke and the Irish champ O'Rourke to America to hold a fight for the championship. When Burke beats O'Rourke that's when the fans strip Ward of his title, no longer recognize his claim, and give it to Burke.


The bull**** is right there in their records if you actually look at what details you can get from their records. The **** they claim doesn't make any sense. Get you a book for more details and you'll read a story that makes CBZ's champion dates straight up lies. Get a book from their ranks,. makes no difference, they all source the same ****, the story is not as clean as the dates listed on CBZ would have you believe.



Also, any list of lineal champions that does not start in 1722 does not start in 1722 because the historians are bit crap. There is NO break in traditions from 1722-1888 but we pretend like there is because from 1722-1888 is much harder research than 1888-present.

Why, the ****, would the start of Queensberry be the end of lineal when the first sanctioning body comes in 1910?

If the first sanctioning body champion signifies the end of lineal that is Johnson not Sullivan. If it doesn't then what the **** are we doing starting lineal lists at the birth of queensberry? Makes no ****in' sense at all.



How about this, the idea that sex before fights limits you is ancient. Come from Rome, Klietomachos made it famous when we unified the combat sports title and went dustless while doing so. Un ****ing pointed against.

Do we make some kind of break in that ideal to signify the change in rules between 385 and 1722? Nope, that's some **** you can hear right the **** now. So, if I made a list of boxers who believed sex before a fight limited them AND I am a ****ing historical society, wouldn't you expect my list to include all the boxer who believed that? Would it make sense to start at Sullivan? Would is just be lazy work that causes confusion and disconnection and allows fans to compartmentalize aspects of this sport and its history that do not belong in those compartments?


And so, now you have a sport that has existed since 686 BC but we all act like it started in the ****in 1880s because of a rule change. You can't explain the whys in boxing if you disconnect the sport due to rule changes. You can explain why we changed rules and the affect it had on the sport, but, your ass won't ever know why we believe power is something you're born with or sex before a fight limits you or any other traditional, often heard, boxing philosophy.

I can tell you who was the first power hitter in all of boxing. I can tell you who was first defense guy in all of boxing. I can not explain how boxing became centered on two major styles without BOTH ancient history and bare knuckle history. By the time of Sullivan we already had puncher and boxer. You can't explain that if you start at 1888. You can't explain much of **** historically speaking if you start at 1888

****ing 1888-1910 is a ****in' blink and that's why you mother ****ers know nothing about lineal.


Some ******* already wants to post some **** about Ali as if it makes ****in' sense for me to skip Ali's era and get right into Klieto. I know all about Ali, suck a ****, read a book, you don't know **** about lineal.

[tophat1]

I think fury is the best of the heavies out there but its a stretch to still call him lineal after his break.

This is not an ali situation, his break away from boxing came from a drugs ban for performance enhancing drug. He got caught cheating