Lomachenko fever hits boxingscene

[R-Hand Southpaw]

We can talk about it but you need to be man enough to admit you are wrong.

GO check the threads about his ped use or about the special belt. As for criticizing his resume, I don’t overly criticize it the same way I don’t loma’s so I’m not sure what you’re point is in mentioning him.

If you feel Loma is the victim of unfair criticism ok. A lot of fighters are in the same predicament.

If you analyze every fighters resume using the same criteria you are going to find opponents that aren’t the “best”.

That is what nsb does.

If I'm wrong I can admit I'm wrong. Its easy to do, but I'm not gonna admit I'm wrong for something I'm not wrong about.

Analyzing with bias and without goes a far way. For some people the color of their skin is enough to make someone dislike a fighter. Is that right? In my opinion absolutely not.

So when people say things and cant back it up I do have a problem with that. Ignorant criticisms if I ever saw any.

As for best, there is definitely a way to fight who is considered "best"

Again. Take Lomachenko and Canelo.

Lomachenko is and has been fighting the best at 135. If you could name some fighters better than:

Linares (WBA champ)
Pedraza (WBO champ)
Luke Campbell (vacant WBC)

All guys who could be considered top 5 and at the top of the division. One guy lost by TKO, and two other guys lost in WIDE decisions. Competitive but clear results.

Compare that to Canelo 160+

Chavez Jr (at SMW 164)
GGG (WBA,WBC, IBO)
GGG2(WBA, WBC, IBO)
Fielding (168 Regular WBA)
Jacobs (IBF)

Two of those 5 fights were easy wins. Two of then highly debated and controversial. One a complete snooze fest against Jacob's who didnt even make weight.

Not mention now instead of facing the best available, Andrade, Derevychanko, or Charlo he wants to fight Kovalev?

If you're the "best" chances are you're the champion of your division. If you're the best you could have the resume to prove it. And Iife you're the best you've beaten everyone at your weight.

Let me ask you this. Do you think Mikey Garcia fought the "best" when he chose to fight Spence? Or should he have just fought Lomachenko?

[The Big Dunn]

If I'm wrong I can admit I'm wrong. Its easy to do, but I'm not gonna admit I'm wrong for something I'm not wrong about.

Analyzing with bias and without goes a far way. For some people the color of their skin is enough to make someone dislike a fighter. Is that right? In my opinion absolutely not.

So when people say things and cant back it up I do have a problem with that. Ignorant criticisms if I ever saw any.

As for best, there is definitely a way to fight who is considered "best"

Again. Take Lomachenko and Canelo.

Lomachenko is and has been fighting the best at 135. If you could name some fighters better than:

Linares (WBA champ)
Pedraza (WBO champ)
Luke Campbell (vacant WBC)

All guys who could be considered top 5 and at the top of the division. One guy lost by TKO, and two other guys lost in WIDE decisions. Competitive but clear results.

Compare that to Canelo 160+

Chavez Jr (at SMW 164)
GGG (WBA,WBC, IBO)
GGG2(WBA, WBC, IBO)
Fielding (168 Regular WBA)
Jacobs (IBF)

Two of those 5 fights were easy wins. Two of then highly debated and controversial. One a complete snooze fest against Jacob's who didnt even make weight.

Not mention now instead of facing the best available, Andrade, Derevychanko, or Charlo he wants to fight Kovalev?

If you're the "best" chances are you're the champion of your division. If you're the best you could have the resume to prove it. And Iife you're the best you've beaten everyone at your weight.

Let me ask you this. Do you think Mikey Garcia fought the "best" when he chose to fight Spence? Or should he have just fought Lomachenko?

The problem is your assumption of my opinion based solely on who you believe me to be rather than the opinion expressed in my post.

As for comparing resumes, the "top" of a division may not be as good as the middle of another. As for Loma, he gets credit for his wins. However, if someone points out he went to 135 without fighting the top 130lber-Berchelt-that is a fact and it shouldn't cause you to get so upset.

You get mad because pointing that out in some way shades Loma. Pointing that out isn't race based bias criticism.

As for MIkey/Spence-I don't think you can say he didn't fight the best as Spence is the best WW in the world and a consensus top 7 p4p boxer. The issue was it was really a cash grab designed to get Spence an easy win and more exposure.

I would have preferred he fight Loma, but we know Bob wasn't going to make that fight since Mikey sued him and left TR.

[j.razor]

Theres nothing wrong with saying he cant be defeated but if you're saying **** like, he isnt even that good, he only fights bums, he needs to fight real competition now is the time to say those names of who you think would give Lomachenko a L.

You know what's insane? Talking **** with nothing to back up what you're saying.

For example. J razor says Haney takes Lomachenko easy because hes fast and strong and has high ring IQ blah blah blah generic ****.

And that's the only guy he has who he thinks beats Lomachenko yet Lomachenko is a bum because he lost to Salido.

I can say the same exact things about Ryan Garcia, Teofimo Lopez, Richard Commey. They're big and strong. Canelos trainers train Ryan Garcia and Canelo is a GOD. Mayweather trains Haney so he must be a GOD too right?

You talk about overeating and hype jobs what do you think Haney is? A 20 year old who hasnt fought anywhere near the world level.

How can you say with a straight face that a 20 year old prospect who has never fought at a world level let alone fought someone on the level of Anthony Crolla is going to smoke Lomachenko.

And you chose that guy to beat him over ANY champion from 126-135?

Please.

If someone would have said Berchelt because he comes forward and throws and Lomachenko has never been tested fighting on his back foot that would have been FAR more sufficient than Devan Haney because hes "insert generic words here".

But nah. That's not what happened did it? Take it again from J razor to put tank on pause and in the very next post walk back what he just said and call loma a ducker for moving back to 130.

Jesus

You trying to flip the script. l0m0 has fought a few good fighters but a couple of them bob made sure he had the FULL advantage of also....I say Haney beats l0m0 cuz he looks more skilled than l0m0 & has more physical attributes over l0m0. Tank has a chance of beating l0m0......I think Mikey is also a good match up for l0m0.

Nobody really is saying Teo beats l0m0 either but the kid wants his chance & you guys get mad at him for it which usually means you guys have fear of l0m0 losing. I say lomo outpoints Teo but I want to see it since Teo is calling for the fight. Now since Ryan has been training with Nelo's camp he does seem to be picking up some things so don't get mad....Haney has grown up in the Mayweather Gym & Sr. is a great trainer & Haney is looking like he can be great so don't be mad cuz Floyd Joy is better than "papchencko"

The only overrating going on is what you dudes do with l0m0 talking about how he can beat T.B.E. at 130 That's straight up on some DUMB SHET. Even Bud had to put fat dan Rafael in his place for talking that dumb shet. And why do you talk about Anthony Crolla like he's some good fighter? I know, its cuz l0m0 knocked him out & you want to make l0m0 look good to overrate like you guys always do....LMMFAO! You dudes aint slick.

You say l0m0 has never been tested & pushed on his back foot? OF COURSE he has & his name is SALIDO Salido beat l0m0 & that KILLS you guys

Now as for me saying I put Tank on pause is cuz I'm not going to believe yet that he can flat out beat l0m0 cuz he has to have confidence in himself 1st. If he did then I would believe Tank can beat l0m0. He did back out when T.B.E. tried to make the fight happen but then Tank started to throw a tantrum on social media & complaining about getting a title shot (its one of the points of fighting right? Winning fights, getting paid & becoming a champion?) so then Floyd said he's too young still. I know Tank has the tools & power to beat l0m0 or even stop him but until he shows me he's confident I won't put my money on him. Now l0m0 has been calling Tank out but if he moves back down to 30 instead of staying at 35 knowing damn well Tank is there now AND his mandatory then WTF do you think it is?!?! It kind of looks like Tank is trying to creep up on l0m0 & it seems like bob knows this too....l0m0 better keep his ass at 35 & let these dudes at 30 move up if he wants to fight them..

[j.razor]

Now you're just moving the goalpoasts. Even Haney's promoter thinks he needs to earn a shot at fighting Loma. That's just how boxing works. Nobody's just gonna hand him a fight against a top pound for pound fighter. You didn't see Floyd taking on Thurman or Spence when they were in Haney's position.

No YOU are moving the goal post! l0m0 got a title shot in his "2nd" pro fight (which he was handed) & then he was handed ANOTHER title shot in his THIRD fight AFTER he LOST! Is THAT "how boxing works"?!?! And eddie is not doing HIS JOB by getting his fighters their well deserved shots, so he's irrelevant.

And WTF does Floyd have to do with this??

[j.razor]

Meh, Haney is a prospect but he’s a nobody at this point. I want Tank for Loma. There’s a big bounty in Tank’s head.

He's a contender now, not a prospect.

I'll accept a Tank/l0m0 showdown too.

[j.razor]

Lomas criticisms I dont agree with

Hes a bum
He only fights smaller fighters
He has pillow fists
He needs to move up to 140
Salidoe
He isnt fighting the best available

**** like that. You want to talk about someone else on this site who gets special treatment. Canelo.

If anyone had the QB star treatment is him...but I dont really have never seen you call him out? Wanna talk about that?

Nah man, ya'll was hating on Nelo for a minute especially when the fake hype job golovkin was fighting him.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Nah man, ya'll was hating on Nelo for a minute especially when the fake hype job golovkin was fighting him.

Yeah cuz Canelo is so good that he needed to rob Hypejob Golovkin in order to get a draw that EVERYONE knew he was gifted and then he dominated GGG so hard that he only won on cards of 115-113 twice and one 114-114 card right? For a casual like yourself let me tell you that that is "winning" by one round out of 24 rounds.

AND. To do that he needed to load up on all the Clen right? Age GGG another 6 months and now refuses anything to do with Golovkin because GGG hurt my feelings

And youre the same kind if s.hit stain that says L0m0 isnt good. He only looked average against c level fighters right?

And that's beside the fact he is winning WIDE uncontested UDs against all the top competition at 135.

Far wider than ATG Canelo did against hypejob bum killer GGG eh?

Oh L0m0 didnt look good and got marked up against Pedraza but won 11/12 rounds EASY WIDE UD. Oh. GODNELO himself DOMINATED hypejob GGG with score cards of 115-113 x2 and 114-114.

Loma is a bum and GODnelo is an ATG.

Can you believe that's the **** you believe? Its ****ing hilarious

[j.razor]

If I'm wrong I can admit I'm wrong. Its easy to do, but I'm not gonna admit I'm wrong for something I'm not wrong about.

Analyzing with bias and without goes a far way. For some people the color of their skin is enough to make someone dislike a fighter. Is that right? In my opinion absolutely not.

So when people say things and cant back it up I do have a problem with that. Ignorant criticisms if I ever saw any.

As for best, there is definitely a way to fight who is considered "best"

Again. Take Lomachenko and Canelo.

Lomachenko is and has been fighting the best at 135. If you could name some fighters better than:

Linares (WBA champ)
Pedraza (WBO champ)
Luke Campbell (vacant WBC)

All guys who could be considered top 5 and at the top of the division. One guy lost by TKO, and two other guys lost in WIDE decisions. Competitive but clear results.

Compare that to Canelo 160+

Chavez Jr (at SMW 164)
GGG (WBA,WBC, IBO)
GGG2(WBA, WBC, IBO)
Fielding (168 Regular WBA)
Jacobs (IBF)

Two of those 5 fights were easy wins. Two of then highly debated and controversial. One a complete snooze fest against Jacob's who didnt even make weight.

Not mention now instead of facing the best available, Andrade, Derevychanko, or Charlo he wants to fight Kovalev?

If you're the "best" chances are you're the champion of your division. If you're the best you could have the resume to prove it. And Iife you're the best you've beaten everyone at your weight.

Let me ask you this. Do you think Mikey Garcia fought the "best" when he chose to fight Spence? Or should he have just fought Lomachenko?

Nelo beat golovkin twice. Its not really debatable cuz it was created by the media & people who "Don't Know Shet Bout Boxing" ran with it. The Jacobs fight was not a snooze fest either, it was a good fight & Jacobs ALSO beat golovkin but they robbed Jacobs to make the Nelo fight. I say Nelo has no business fighting at 175 either, he's too small & I agree he should stay at 160 & no higher than 168 for big money fights if he was smart (or his team at least).

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Nelo beat golovkin twice. Its not really debatable cuz it was created by the media & people who "Don't Know Shet Bout Boxing" ran with it. The Jacobs fight was not a snooze fest either, it was a good fight & Jacobs ALSO beat golovkin but they robbed Jacobs to make the Nelo fight. I say Nelo has no business fighting at 175 either, he's too small & I agree he should stay at 160 & no higher than 168 for big money fights if he was smart (or his team at least).

Nobody had Canelo winning the first fight. Nobody.

You think Jacobs beat GGG right? You're gonna sit there and believe that more people think Jacob's beat GGG than GGG beat Canelo?

Canelo vs Jacobs was a snooze fest. Truth is GGG beat a better Jacobs and more convincingly. Also if I'm remembering correctly Jacobs didn even weight himself the day of because of the IBF morning weight clause and came in huge. He failed the next day weigh in for Canelo because he was struggling with his weight.

And please. How could they rob Jacob's so he couldnt fight Canelo when GGG vs Canelo would always have been bigger?

[j.razor]

Yeah cuz Canelo is so good that he needed to rob Hypejob Golovkin in order to get a draw that EVERYONE knew he was gifted and then he dominated GGG so hard that he only won on cards of 115-113 twice and one 114-114 card right? For a casual like yourself let me tell you that that is "winning" by one round out of 24 rounds.

AND. To do that he needed to load up on all the Clen right? Age GGG another 6 months and now refuses anything to do with Golovkin because GGG hurt my feelings

And youre the same kind if s.hit stain that says L0m0 isnt good. He only looked average against c level fighters right?

And that's beside the fact he is winning WIDE uncontested UDs against all the top competition at 135.

Far wider than ATG Canelo did against hypejob bum killer GGG eh?

Oh L0m0 didnt look good and got marked up against Pedraza but won 11/12 rounds EASY WIDE UD. Oh. GODNELO himself DOMINATED hypejob GGG with score cards of 115-113 x2 and 114-114.

Loma is a bum and GODnelo is an ATG.

Can you believe that's the **** you believe? Its ****ing hilarious

I said l0m0 is good but NOT great.

Now for the Nelo/Pvssy-G fight let's go round by round & tell me the punches landed with the time on each round.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZxwlgUrJBk