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  • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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    What was each these recent greats best attribute?

    Been rewatching a lot of boxing from the late 90’s/ early 2000’s onwards recently and these were/are the best of that era IMO. So what was their best attribute?

    Vasyl Lomachenko

    Manny Pacquiao

    Andre Ward

    Floyd Mayweather

    Juan Manuel Marquez

    Roy Jones Jr

    Bernard Hopkins

    James Toney

    Lennox Lewis

    Oscar De La Hoya

    Shane Mosley
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    #2
    Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
    Been rewatching a lot of boxing from the late 90’s/ early 2000’s onwards recently and these were/are the best of that era IMO. So what was their best attribute?

    Vasyl Lomachenko

    Manny Pacquiao

    Andre Ward

    Floyd Mayweather

    Juan Manuel Marquez

    Roy Jones Jr

    Bernard Hopkins

    James Toney

    Lennox Lewis

    Oscar De La Hoya

    Shane Mosley
    Good post

    Vasyl - foot speed
    Pac - foot speed
    Ward - jab
    Floyd - counter punching
    Marquez - foot work
    Roy - speed/athleticism
    Hopkins - physical strength/defense
    Toney - defense
    Lennox - jab
    DLH - jab

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      #3
      ODH, chin....

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        #4
        Vasyl Lomachenko - Footwork and use of angles

        Manny Pacquiao - explosiveness and fighting spirit

        Andre Ward - roughousing/holding and taking the opponents weapons away

        Floyd Mayweather - controlling the tempo and defense

        Juan Manuel Marquez - combination punching and counter punching

        Roy Jones Jr - explosiveness and speed of hand and foot

        Bernard Hopkins - ring generalship and IQ

        James Toney - slipping and countering

        Lennox Lewis - using his height/size and his jab

        Oscar De La Hoya - left hand (hook & jab)

        Shane Mosley - speed and strength

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          #5
          Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
          Been rewatching a lot of boxing from the late 90’s/ early 2000’s onwards recently and these were/are the best of that era IMO. So what was their best attribute?

          Vasyl Lomachenko

          Manny Pacquiao

          Andre Ward

          Floyd Mayweather

          Juan Manuel Marquez

          Roy Jones Jr

          Bernard Hopkins

          James Toney

          Lennox Lewis

          Oscar De La Hoya

          Shane Mosley
          Pac....competitiveness
          Ward....privilege
          Mayweather....mental stability
          Jones...handspeed
          Hopkins...dedication
          Lewis....height/weight
          ODLH....combination speed
          Moseley....chin

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          • KingHippo
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            #6
            Vasyl Lomachenko - footwork

            Manny Pacquiao - handspeed

            Andre Ward - craftyness

            Floyd Mayweather - counterpunching

            Juan Manuel Marquez - effective agression

            Roy Jones Jr - combination punching

            Bernard Hopkins - Caginess

            James Toney - Movement

            Lennox Lewis - Technique

            Shane Mosley - combination punching

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              #7
              Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
              Been rewatching a lot of boxing from the late 90’s/ early 2000’s onwards recently and these were/are the best of that era IMO. So what was their best attribute?

              Vasyl Lomachenko

              Manny Pacquiao

              Andre Ward

              Floyd Mayweather

              Juan Manuel Marquez

              Roy Jones Jr

              Bernard Hopkins

              James Toney

              Lennox Lewis

              Oscar De La Hoya

              Shane Mosley
              The Great(est) attribute(s) to me that stand out among these fighter are

              Loma - Footwork
              His footwork is on another level from a Traditional Boxing Standpoint, can literally Box circles around his opponent and be in positions and angles
              That are unbelievable to watch

              PAC - Footwoork / Willingness to Fight

              Pacs footwork isn’t like Lomas it’s completely different but just as beautiful to watch / Lomas is more traditional while PAC is some almost awkward making it near impossible for a opponent to fully figure out never be another that could duplicate it style. Almost how a fly won’t travel in a straight line but has the ability to move in every direction if you try to kill one that’s how I think of PACs footwoork if that makes any sense , And PACs willingness to fight is ATG , he’ll get absolutely cracked and he’s probably hurt like a Mother and he just nods his head and his natural instincts instead of retreating are to engage and try and hurt his opponent worse then he hurt him

              Ward - Ability to Win
              Hasn’t Lost since he was 12/13 , The mental strength and focus / desire / commitment it would take to do that and no matter what obstacles are presented find a way to win is f.ucking crazy

              Mayweather - Commitment to Greatness

              Was able to stay Hungry even when he achieved everything , when almost every human that achieve that level of success has the tendency to let their foot off the gas even just a little bit , Mayweather kept his foot fully pressed down on the pedal throughout his career , Regardless of his persona and with the exception of the McGregor fight never took a Opponet lightly and trained & was hungry & focused like he hadn’t won sh.it

              Marquez - Timing

              Never possessed ATG physical attributes but his timing and counter punching he was able to neutralize his opponent strengths , If you look at the KO of PAC and how he was able to perfectly Time PACs foot work who did a weird 2 mini step shuffle before he tried to go In and Marquez was
              able to not time that perfectly is a thing of beauty

              Hopkins - Mental Toughness

              Was able to come out of Jail / Lose his first fight and go on to become one his eras best / Always ate properly / Always stayed in fighting shape and on weight / Lived and commited to boxers Lifestyle 365/24/7 for 25+ years throughout all the valleys and peaks of his career.

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                #8
                Lots of good answers so far...

                My opinion is.

                Lomachenko: Footwork- He’s always controlling the action and putting pressure on opponent’s whether on the front foot or back foot, plus it allows him to initiate attacks from angles fighters find impossible to defend.

                Pacquiao: Speed (Hand/Foot)- Pac’s speed blitzed opponent’s and allows him to create angles to land that lethal left hand.

                Ward: Inside Game- I can’t recall a fight were anyone could live with Ward on the inside, his technique on the inside was superb. Another guy mentioned about him negating his opponent’s strengths; I agree with that also...

                Mayweather: Jab- Floyd’s jab was usually what enabled him to control the distance and dictate the pace of the fight. It was a superb range finder, it set up combinations, counters and also set traps.

                Marquez: Timing/Counter punching. That counter right hand is one of my favourite shots of the past few decades, Marquez was excellent at negating offence through timing and effective counter punching.

                Jones Jr: Speed/Athleticism- Roy was just a freak, he could essentially win a fight with one punch. Throughout the 90’s nobody from 160-175 could live with his unique speed, athleticism and also accuracy.

                Hopkins: Ring Generalship- B-Hop’s ring generalship and IQ were otherworldly. He was an absolute master at controlling a fight and negating his opponent’s attributes which allowed him to stay on top until nearly 50.

                Toney: Technique- Technically excellent both offensively and defensively. Also had a great chin which would be a close second.

                Lewis: Jab- Lennox’s jab was a real weapon that damaged opponent’s, set up hurtful combinations and allowed him to control the action.

                De La Hoya: Left Hook- Oscar’s left hook was his best shot and most effective weapon IMO as he could land it as a lead shot or counter.

                Mosley: Athleticism- Combined with his speed and power, this made Shane a real problem for anyone who came up against him in his prime.

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                • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by R_Walken
                  The Great(est) attribute(s) to me that stand out among these fighter are

                  Loma - Footwork
                  His footwork is on another level from a Traditional Boxing Standpoint, can literally Box circles around his opponent and be in positions and angles
                  That are unbelievable to watch

                  PAC - Footwoork / Willingness to Fight

                  Pacs footwork isn’t like Lomas it’s completely different but just as beautiful to watch / Lomas is more traditional while PAC is some almost awkward making it near impossible for a opponent to fully figure out never be another that could duplicate it style. Almost how a fly won’t travel in a straight line but has the ability to move in every direction if you try to kill one that’s how I think of PACs footwoork if that makes any sense , And PACs willingness to fight is ATG , he’ll get absolutely cracked and he’s probably hurt like a Mother and he just nods his head and his natural instincts instead of retreating are to engage and try and hurt his opponent worse then he hurt him

                  Ward - Ability to Win
                  Hasn’t Lost since he was 12/13 , The mental strength and focus / desire / commitment it would take to do that and no matter what obstacles are presented find a way to win is f.ucking crazy

                  Mayweather - Commitment to Greatness

                  Was able to stay Hungry even when he achieved everything , when almost every human that achieve that level of success has the tendency to let their foot off the gas even just a little bit , Mayweather kept his foot fully pressed down on the pedal throughout his career , Regardless of his persona and with the exception of the McGregor fight never took a Opponet lightly and trained & was hungry & focused like he hadn’t won sh.it

                  Marquez - Timing

                  Never possessed ATG physical attributes but his timing and counter punching he was able to neutralize his opponent strengths , If you look at the KO of PAC and how he was able to perfectly Time PACs foot work who did a weird 2 mini step shuffle before he tried to go In and Marquez was
                  able to not time that perfectly is a thing of beauty

                  Hopkins - Mental Toughness

                  Was able to come out of Jail / Lose his first fight and go on to become one his eras best / Always ate properly / Always stayed in fighting shape and on weight / Lived and commited to boxers Lifestyle 365/24/7 for 25+ years throughout all the valleys and peaks of his career.
                  I like the way you also analysed the mental aspect of things.

                  I never really thought of a key attribute being a winning mentality or dedication.

                  It’s a fair point though, just look at the difference between guys like Mayweather/Ward and guy like Toney.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
                    Been rewatching a lot of boxing from the late 90’s/ early 2000’s onwards recently and these were/are the best of that era IMO. So what was their best attribute?

                    Vasyl Lomachenko
                    footwork
                    Manny Pacquiao
                    handspeed
                    Andre Ward
                    ring generalship
                    Floyd Mayweather
                    defense
                    Juan Manuel Marquez
                    combinations
                    Roy Jones Jr
                    reflexes
                    Bernard Hopkins
                    mongoosery. you know what that means.
                    James Toney
                    chin
                    Lennox Lewis
                    size
                    Oscar De La Hoya
                    power
                    Shane Mosley
                    explosiveness
                    it's good to have land.

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