Why didn't Manny dominate Jeff Horn in the eyes of the judges?

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  • Richard G
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    #31
    Originally posted by revelated
    SO basically you're saying that Keef Thurman beat Manny. Right?



    The same things you're supposed to always use. They haven't changed since immemorial. You've just been ignoring two of them and misreading one.

    Effective Aggression: Who's throwing, who's active, REGARDLESS of type of punch (that means JABS COUNT):

    For 7 rounds (OUT OF 12), that was Jeff 'The Hornet' Horn. The remainder was Manny throwing potshots and not coming forward. Horn was on the front foot the majority of the fight.

    Ring Generalship: Who's bossing who around the ring? Who's walking the other guy down? Who is dictating the pace of the fight?

    For 9 rounds (OUT OF 12), that was Jeff 'The Hornet' Horn. Manny was bossed around, period.

    Defense: Not just blocking, how good are you avoiding damaging shots and making your opponent miss? How good are you at suppressing or nullifying offense HOWEVER YOU DO IT?

    For 7 rounds (OUT OF 12), that was Jeff 'The Hornet' Horn. What people are ignoring is that Manny was never able to land his signature combination on Horn because Horn would immediately move to the side the moment he saw Manny throw the setup punch, and Manny would still go forward in the wrong direction, missing the rest. Horn's lateral movement was completely ignored and was underrated as a strategy - Eat the first punch as long as you don't get the combo, because the combo is what takes you out. Round 9 Horn went backward which is what got him caught - just like Thurman, just like Mosley. Never happened again when he learned not to go back. That's defensive IQ.

    Hard and Clean Punches: When you do land, are you landing power shots? Body shots? Are you just light tapping? Does the opponent's head move when you land (see the GIF in my sig for a perfect example)?

    For 6 rounds (OUT OF 12), that was Manny Pacquiao. As Pac/Thurman taught us, Compubox is NOT the right measure to use. They counted way more punches landed from Manny than did land clean on Horn. Vast majority of the HARD and CLEAN punches from Pacquiao were Round 8 and 9. You do NOT use one round to determine a fight winner.

    But what's happening is that a lot of you are getting tricked by Manny's sneaky "steal the last 30 seconds" style. That's how he was able to beat Thurman, he stole at least three of those rounds with a strong last 30 seconds. Horn nullified this in all but Round 9 because he watched Floyd do the same thing to Manny. The bullying did its job - keep Manny from tossing punches Horn's way.

    And again, if the ref allows it, it's legal. It's that simple.
    Great analytical post, we need more of the technical to counter the emotional soyboy rubbish.

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