So - GGG gets slighted for beating 'bums' like Macklin, Monroe, Brook, Lemieux etc...

[hmc87]

But when ATGs like Hagler lose to Willie Monroe and Boogie Watts, and Hearns loses to Iran Barkley (twice)...etc etc...they seem to get a pass? If GGG gets no love for dominating 15 or so of those types of fighters, why do others get a pass for taking Ls against these 'bums'?

The truth is... 'great' fighters usually win about 8 or 9 out of ten against other quality fighters...the other 1 or 2 out of that 10 end up being losses, draws, or controversial wins...GGG has never had a slip up in about 15 or so of those fights...should be very impressive to most I would think...

When 'great' fighters fight other 'greats' they are usually about .500 in those fights...Hagler stopped Hearns, he basically drew against an old/fat/smaller Duran, and got schooled by a smaller SRL (if anyone thinks Hagler won that fight I can't even take you seriously lol...kind of joking but kind of not

Hearns was basically even with SRL...KOed Duran and got KOed by Hagler...etc etc...when you study any great fighter...Ali comes to mind as well...the wins in big fights roughly equal a .500 win percentage.

It does matter how many fights you have at this top level, and how you do in them...but most 'greats' only have a few fights against other 'greats' in their prime...'greats' are just a rare breed, and finding two relatively prime 'greats' around the same weight at the same time is unique...study any fighter's history if you would like...

For GGG most would have him 2-0 in his 'great' fights vs Nelo...Jacobs Murray and Lemieux should be in a type of next category below that 'great' level imo...but still should get credit for those 'great' wins in a way.

So as much hate as G gets - he never had a slip up against quality opposition, and he faced probably more of them than almost any other fighter in history...and almost every other 'great' has 1 or 2 slips up in those fights out of 10.

And G has basically shown to be undefeated in his 'great' fights...when most other 'greats' are about .500 in those fights...yet some still hate on him lol...but if you're going to hate at least be consistent - and slight other greats like Hagler and Hearns when they lose to these 'bums' that GGG is dominating.

GGG actively ducked Jacobs rematch, Lara at any time/weight, Andre Ward at any time/weight, Cotto and Canelo at catchweights (BUT WHY A CW???? Cotto and Canelo were MW champion without EVER having fought at MW - so they make the rules...cash cow), Brook at 157, Andrade, Dervenchenko (who hes finally fighting 2-3 years later lmfao), BJS, etc.

But Borat DID make time for Vanes (JMW coming off 2 year layoff 3-3 in last 6 fights on 2 week training camp) and Steve Rolls (who?). In BOTH of those fights Borat ducked Andrade and Dervenchenko

Hagler, Hearns, etc. They never held up fights over:

• I*] Not being able to pick judges
• Not being able to pick fight location
• Not being able to pick Canelos gloves
• Not being satisfied with 45% Purse and PPV
• Not having Big Penis like Ca$hnelo

Yeah that's why Borat gets flack while others dont. Even his man-crush Ca$hnelo puts aside petty things to make fights (152lb with Floyd, 155lb with Cotto - was Cottos request, increased drug testing with Borat, letting Borat pick judges, letting Borat pick gloves, letting Borat higher Purse, letting Borat have more 30-day weight pics of Mexican Meat)

[Boxing_1013]

100 percent agree. The old time greats get a pass for losing to bums but somehow they'll destory GGG and ko him in 3. Yah okay R-E-TARDS.

Let's not forget ggg is one of the few fighters in history at 37 approaching 38 to compete on the highest levels. Most all time . greats at that age were getting koed bad by bums. Consistency matters.

Yep thanks man...G's performances against top fighters...and his dominant performances against quality fighters...should tell the story of how great he is imo..especially compared to the less good results of his ATG peers in those respects.

Because they are box rec warriors..They never saw the blade when he was on his game .He would have given GGG fits .

Perhaps you guys have missed my point...I don't think he was a 'bum'...he was a good fighter...but he was of the same quality as a Macklin Monroe etc...can you name 1 guy that Barkley beat, besides Hearns? If he was so great surely you can find another good name?

What did he just say?

Please name another fighter with 15 plus wins over quality opposition with no losses...not including matchups with other greats in that...please feel free to do some research my friend...honestly seems like some people on here get their information from crazy places regarding some fighters etc...I don't really understand overlooking how well G did against the Monroes, Proksas, Geales, Adamas etc...perhaps you just aren't very familiar with his career though, idk...but if you are ignorant on a topic, why would you speak so loudly and rudely? lol

[Boxing_1013]

Do you tell yourself he clearly beat Jacobs?

He outlanded Danny 9-2-1..dropped him...hurt him a few times...Danny had 2 clear rounds imo...6 and 10...and a few others were close...can't see at all a scenario where someone gives Danny that fight unless they are really biased.

[Boxing_1013]

what " quality " opposition... ?





what " great " fights... ?

he got beaten by Canelo and he arguably lost to Jacobs

put it this way... the Golovkin/Jacobs fight was closer than the Golovkin/Canelo rematch... so if Golovkin deserves a rematch with Canelo, then Golovkin still has business with Danny Jacobs

Quality opposition - basically everyone he has faced since Proksa - with Wade out and Ouma in imo...if you can really look at that list and try and slight all those guys...but give other greats a pass when they drop 1 or 2 out of 10 of those matchups...well why should anyone think you keep it real lol...including Ouma he has been in there with 18 quality opponents.

Yeah man I don't think you really keep it real with your analysis and scoring so I'll just give ya a big thumbs up on the story you wrote and wish ya a good day...mate ..when someone outlands GGG in more than 3 rounds that will be the first time...very impressive really

[just the facts]

But when ATGs like Hagler lose to Willie Monroe and Boogie Watts, and Hearns loses to Iran Barkley (twice)...etc etc...they seem to get a pass? If GGG gets no love for dominating 15 or so of those types of fighters, why do others get a pass for taking Ls against these 'bums'?

The truth is... 'great' fighters usually win about 8 or 9 out of ten against other quality fighters...the other 1 or 2 out of that 10 end up being losses, draws, or controversial wins...GGG has never had a slip up in about 15 or so of those fights...should be very impressive to most I would think...

When 'great' fighters fight other 'greats' they are usually about .500 in those fights...Hagler stopped Hearns, he basically drew against an old/fat/smaller Duran, and got schooled by a smaller SRL (if anyone thinks Hagler won that fight I can't even take you seriously lol...kind of joking but kind of not

Hearns was basically even with SRL...KOed Duran and got KOed by Hagler...etc etc...when you study any great fighter...Ali comes to mind as well...the wins in big fights roughly equal a .500 win percentage.

It does matter how many fights you have at this top level, and how you do in them...but most 'greats' only have a few fights against other 'greats' in their prime...'greats' are just a rare breed, and finding two relatively prime 'greats' around the same weight at the same time is unique...study any fighter's history if you would like...

For GGG most would have him 2-0 in his 'great' fights vs Nelo...Jacobs Murray and Lemieux should be in a type of next category below that 'great' level imo...but still should get credit for those 'great' wins in a way.

So as much hate as G gets - he never had a slip up against quality opposition, and he faced probably more of them than almost any other fighter in history...and almost every other 'great' has 1 or 2 slips up in those fights out of 10.

And G has basically shown to be undefeated in his 'great' fights...when most other 'greats' are about .500 in those fights...yet some still hate on him lol...but if you're going to hate at least be consistent - and slight other greats like Hagler and Hearns when they lose to these 'bums' that GGG is dominating.

I quit reading after the first few paragraphs. If you think Watts, Monroe Sr and Barkley are equal to Macklin, Monroe Jr and LeMew then you simply DKSAB

[Boxing_1013]

he never had a slip up against quality opposition, and he faced probably more of them than almost any other fighter in history...







you're right..... that was utterly ridiculous

not his worst..... but I will add that to the list

As mentioned previously...since Ouma G had about 18 at least quality opponents...to slight those guys just because G dominated is unfortunate...to give him no love for that dominance yet give others a pass for taking Ls to those types of fighters 10 or 20% of the time just shows you don't really keep it real unfortunately.

G 'haters' follow the same formula - did G win...well that guy was a bum! ...did the fight go 12 rounds...well G really lost and maybe got exposed! yawn...just not real boxing analysts fans on here really...oh well.

Golovkin actually has a .000 win percentage against great fighters as he is 0-3 against Alvarez and Jacobs.

Case in point lol

Personally I wouldn't call Macklin, Brook, Murray etc bums but I have actually watched a number of their fights, im guessing the people calling them bums are the ones just looking at boxrec stats and youtube clips.

Monroe and Lemieux are among Billie Joe Saunders best wins, people rave about how he schooled Lemieux, well GGG destroyed him with a jab and got him out of there before 12 rounds.

Yep good post man...I think they are all solid fighters and I think you recognize that fact when you analyze the careers of other ATGs...usually even the ATGs slip on a banana peel once or twice out of 10 against solid guys like that.

Hagler had wins over ATG'S as Did Hearns...horrible comparison...

Well I mean most saw G win twice against Nelo...or at least a lot did..so there are 2 ATG wins...and this post is typical of a NSB response/rebuttal tbh...I addressed your points in my original post...to point it out specifically again -

Hearns 'only' had 4 fights vs ATGs (vs G's 2)...one clear win over an ATG vs Duran (who was fighting above his best weight imo, but still a good win)...he was 0-1-1 against SRL...and 0-1 against Hagler...he had 2 losses, 1 win and a draw in 4 fights...not exactly stellar.

He also slipped up twice against a good fighter in Barkley...who was good and a tricky matchup...but never beat anyone other than Hearns...to give other greats a pass for slipping on the banana peel a few times in their 10-15 fights against quality opposition, but to heavily criticize someone like G for easily dispatching those types of fighters in his 15 fights, just shows you to be biased, whether it is a conscious bias or not, I am not sure

So again - G has roughly the same number of fights vs ATGs as other past greats...and in most people's opinion he doesn't really have a blemish in those fights...and he has probably more fights vs other quality fighters than most other past greats...yet he never had an off night in those fights, whereas guys like Hagler and Hearns lost 1 or 2 out of 10 of those fights...why people refuse to give the G man some credit there, I have no idea...should get a lot of credit there imo

[Boxing_1013]

I quit reading after the first few paragraphs. If you think Watts, Monroe Sr and Barkley are equal to Macklin, Monroe Jr and LeMew then you simply DKSAB

Lol...ah the old 'the average guy that my guy lost to isn't a bum' defense lol...yawn...laughable to try and hype those guys up and then denigrate guys like Monroe Lemieux etc...I mean you should be embarrassed honestly.

So yeah name one good fighter that any 3 of those guys beat besides their big wins over Hagler and Hearns..please

[Boxing_1013]

GGG actively ducked Jacobs rematch, Lara at any time/weight, Andre Ward at any time/weight, Cotto and Canelo at catchweights (BUT WHY A CW???? Cotto and Canelo were MW champion without EVER having fought at MW - so they make the rules...cash cow), Brook at 157, Andrade, Dervenchenko (who hes finally fighting 2-3 years later lmfao), BJS, etc.

But Borat DID make time for Vanes (JMW coming off 2 year layoff 3-3 in last 6 fights on 2 week training camp) and Steve Rolls (who?). In BOTH of those fights Borat ducked Andrade and Dervenchenko

Hagler, Hearns, etc. They never held up fights over:

• I*] Not being able to pick judges
• Not being able to pick fight location
• Not being able to pick Canelos gloves
• Not being satisfied with 45% Purse and PPV
• Not having Big Penis like Ca$hnelo

Yeah that's why Borat gets flack while others dont. Even his man-crush Ca$hnelo puts aside petty things to make fights (152lb with Floyd, 155lb with Cotto - was Cottos request, increased drug testing with Borat, letting Borat pick judges, letting Borat pick gloves, letting Borat higher Purse, letting Borat have more 30-day weight pics of Mexican Meat)

Thank you for your opinion but I don't think you keep it real at all so I will just give you a thumbs up and wish you a great day!

[just the facts]

Lol...ah the old 'the average guy that my guy lost to isn't a bum' defense lol...yawn...laughable to try and hype those guys up and then denigrate guys like Monroe Lemieux etc...I mean you should be embarrassed honestly.

So yeah name one good fighter that any 3 of those guys beat besides their big wins over Hagler and Hearns..please

As noted, you simply DKSAB. You probably have never even watched Watts, Monroe Sr or Barkley fight.

I refuse to have boxing conversations with dumb people. They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

[Boxing_1013]

As noted, you simply DKSAB. You probably have never even watched Watts, Monroe Sr or Barkley fight.

Lol...oh ok man...unlike 95% of people on here I actually watched Boogie Watts fight Hagler (not live but on film)...how did you score that fight btw?....what did Watts do to beat him?

Pretty pathetic/cowardly backing out of a discussion btw lol...I asked you to name 1 guy that any 3 of those guys beat in their whole careers other than Hagler or Hearns...and obviously you deflect because you have nothing...because there is nothing...yawn.

To be clear to anyone..I don't think those guys are bums...they are good fighters...but to slight some on G's resume while hyping those guys up...I mean that's embarrassing really.

The facts don't back up the narrative you desperately want to be true, so you resort to name calling...yawn...you should change your name to 'just the story I want to be true, and if it isn't true I get emotional'...I guess the truth I wrote hurts so you get 'angry' and name call so you can hold back the tears