GGG's resume is better than you think, definitely HOF worthy

[Boxing_1013]

no, the issue is....

1) they were average

2) you would not know a good fighter if he walked up and punched you in the face

I'm with you... Golovkin is very good, no question

Well that's awkward

[Boxing_1013]

no, the issue is....

1) they were average

OK, and if that is your stance...we just expect you to hammer and slight Hagler and Hearns etc for their poor losses in matchups with that type of opposition...and Hagler only had about 10 fights or so by my count with that type of level, whereas GGG has quite a few more...just keep it consistent

[OCPancho]

A middleweight champ who has a dozen title defenses should get in the hall of fame .
GGG is way over that .

[aboutfkntime]

Martinez...great fighter..drew with Cintron, lost to PW, beat PW, beat Pavlik...mixed bag on top fights

Beat Macklin and Chavez...controversial win vs Murray and lost in a farewell fight to Cotto...anyone stacking up that list of wins/fights vs GGG's is just not a truth teller lol...

15+ guys worth mentioning for GGG (over and above the Nelo and Jacobs fights)...guys at the same level or above as Cintron Boogie Watts Willie Monroe Sr, Iran Barkley etc...and no L or close fights for GGG in any of those...very impressive...should give credit where it is due there...if no credit, have to really hammer guys like Martinez/Hagler/Hearns who dropped fights to those types of fighters ...hope that helps ya with the analysis friendo

STOP !!

back up kid, and stop being a dumb casual-fan...

FACT: Martinez has THREE wins that are clearly better than anyone on Golovkin's SHABBY resume... TWO of those wins are clearly A LOT BETTER than anyone on Golovkin's SHABBY resume

he PROVED that he has a higher ceiling by climbing higher mountains

FACT: we told you clowns that Bullshltkin should be taking the fights he was avoiding

Martinez > Golovkin

NAMES > Bullshlt

[aboutfkntime]

Well that's awkward

FACT: Golovkin is a very-good fighter

FACT: Golovkin has a embarrassingly timid opponent selection policy... refusing to lift a finger to make a meaningful fight, even with superstars... walking away from FOUR HUGE opportunities... opportunities that any other fighter would have taken

both of those facts are true

Golovkin is the very dictionary definition of a underachiever

want proof..... ?

promised:
" anyone from 154-168 "

delivered:
- Jacobs*
- Lemieux
- Murray


#underachiever

[aboutfkntime]

OK, and if that is your stance...we just expect you to hammer and slight Hagler and Hearns etc for their poor losses in matchups with that type of opposition...and Hagler only had about 10 fights or so by my count with that type of level, whereas GGG has quite a few more...just keep it consistent

FACT: Hagler climbed higher mountains than Golovkin
FACT: Hagler is therefore greater than Golovkin

the ONLY criteria for greatness is...

WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how

Hagler > GOlovkin... not even close

only dumb cvnts are still running around mentioning Hagler when talking about Golovkin

he would not have taken those fights LMAO

[Boxing_1013]

FACT: Martinez has THREE wins that are clearly better than anyone on Golovkin's SHABBY resume... TWO of those wins are clearly A LOT BETTER than anyone on Golovkin's SHABBY resume

he PROVED that he has a higher ceiling by climbing higher mountains

what are you talking about lol..who? PW is a good win but he also lost to him, so kind of takes some shine away...to give an example of levels, PW went 12 with Ishida right before GGG dusted Ishida in 3 rounds...levels my friend.

...and he (Martinez) beat Pavlik...his 3rd best win is Murray lol..which if people keep it real and give GGG his 2 wins vs Nelo, Murray is GGG's probably 4th best win.

[Boxing_1013]

FACT: Hagler climbed higher mountains than Golovkin
FACT: Hagler is therefore greater than Golovkin

the ONLY criteria for greatness is...

WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how

Hagler > GOlovkin... not even close

I mean Hagler caught Ls against guys that you call bums...you blast GGG for dominating those guys, yet give Hagler and others a pass for catching Ls to these bums...seems as though you have selective criteria for what you consider great...not a real fan my friend.

Hagler beat Hearns...great win...beat Mugabe...great win but not necessarily any better than GGG's vs Lemieux...for reference name one guy that Mugabe ever beat.

Hagler also got schooled by a smaller SRL, basically fought to a draw vs a smaller/old/fat Duran...I mean not really that impressive stuff.

He was a great fighter for sure...but to give him a pass for his bad Ls and also hype up his great wins is childish...most saw GGG beat Nelo twice and in truth in G's 'big fights' he is undefeated..which is very rare for any great boxer to say...he's been a hell of a boxer for sure

[mcdonalds]

With 'resumes' in fight sports people can generally make them out to be what they want/don't want...did a guy get a good win - well it was lucky/fixed, or that opponent ****** if you don't like the guy...did a guy get a good win - well it was a great win because of xyz, if you like the guy.

GGG's actual resume is no different...there are imo objective things to give him a lot of credit for and the amount of good-very good/great fighters he has been in with, and has basically shown very few flaws, and has lost very few rounds in those fights...I think the 'haters' only recourse to get on GGG is to try and underrate the quality of his opposition, because in truth there is no real other branch to grasp onto...he has been too dominant in almost all of his fights.

When you factor in how accomplished he was as an amateur, I think his place as an ATG and possible GOAT at MW. an ATG division, is pretty secure...some see it differently....I think his resume stacks up along with just about anyone else who has fought in boxing...history shows that the greats beat almost every 'non-great' and have a few losses/close debatable fights in those fights, and then when they face other greats they have close fights and usually have a .500 record in those.

For me GGG's only fairly competitive fights were against Ouma and Canelo (2)...He stopped Ouma late but it was a close fight before that and Ouma was a great fighter in his day but maybe not the best performance for GGG...Jacobs and Canelo (1) were straightforward 8-4 wins for GGG imo...and Canelo (2) I had the same 8-4 for GGG.

But I do feel that one was a competitive fight where at times GGG was looking as vulnerable as he ever had...but if that's the worst you can say about a guy when he is in with a great prime fighter, and he himself is 35+, well I mean I think that should be a big feather in his cap...for me GGG has another 15+ good wins, all by dominant KO, and most other 'great' fighters in history that have 15 or so run ins with guys like Proksa, Monroe, Murray, Stevens, Macklin, Lemieux, Vanes, Brook, Rosado, Ishida, Geale, Adama etc.

The other 'greats' usually drop a couple of those fights, have some controversial wins, and/or show some vulnerabilities...some seem to get up in arms when you mention the quality of those wins for GGG, especially as far as how dominant GGG was in all of them...but he never had a Boogie Watts or Willie Monroe on his loss sheet...never had an Iran Barkley on there etc...his dominance and never showing one moment of vulnerability against that quality of opposition is impressive and unique...just look at the past greats if you don't agree

Anyway it's a good debate to have though...I think it's a really strong resume, the actual fights, not the fantasy ones you mentioned Big Mac

G fanboys are mentally ill, this confirms it.

[aboutfkntime]

what are you talking about lol..who? PW is a good win but he also lost to him, so kind of takes some shine away...to give an example of levels, PW went 12 with Ishida right before GGG dusted Ishida in 3 rounds...levels my friend.

...and he (Martinez) beat Pavlik...his 3rd best win is Murray lol..which if people keep it real and give GGG his 2 wins vs Nelo, Murray is GGG's probably 4th best win.

FACT: Martinez climbed higher mountains... Martinez > Hypekin

PROBABLE FACT: Golovkin would have probably ducked Williams and Pavlik... just like he ducked everyone else who posed a threat