Boxing fans don't know how difficult it is to do what Lomachenko did...

[Thraxox]

at the guys discrediting Lomachenko. Old man Salido wanted no parts of that rematch because he would get schooled.

Lomachenko would get his well deserved FOTD at the end of the year.

[boogbx]

Cubans make terrible
Pros period.

[DuckAdonis]

I agree with you in principle. Loma did have 6 quasi pro fights ( no head gear , 10 pt must system but counted as amateur as part of the AIBA) that didn’t count against his record. This wasn’t the case with Ramirez.

Loma is a great boxer but he lost fair and square. His promoter, the same as Ramirez’, put them in fights they were expected to win but they lost. Happens to a lot of newly turned pros.

Give Loma credit for his wins but let’s stop trying to excuse away the Salido loss or mitigate it. Salido was just the better man that night.

I don't think so man. Salido got outboxed in many of the rounds. I scored it a draw personally and I know many that scored it for Lomachenko. Salido came in overweight at the weigh in to have a huge weight advantage and about half the punches he landed were below the belt. That was not a case of Salido just being the better man. That was a dirty fighter using dirty tactics to edge out a win with an incompletent referee. You are entitled to your opinion, but that is mine.

And idk for sure, but was Lomachenko the favourite Vs Gary Russel?!

[QueensburyRules]

We know how difficult it can potentially fighters to transition to the pros. That's why Arum cherry picked some washed up battle-worn journeyman for Loma to face in his first few fights.

Unfortunately for Bob his new chosen one couldn't handle true Mexican style.

- -You calling Salido a shopworn journeyman needing a dirty Texas ref to double team an amateur "Mexican style?"

Thanks for the reminder!

[The Big Dunn]

They don't wear headgear in the olympics anymore.


Also, Ramirez fought in the WSB just like Loma did. He had more fights too as he fought with the Cubans for two seasons.

Yeah I just checked BoxRec. Ramirez had 16 WBSS fights. Another excuse struck down.

Thanks for that. I didn’t realize Ramirez had the quasi pro fights as well.

I wasn’t using this as a an excuse to defend Ramirez losing.

[The Big Dunn]

I don't think so man. Salido got outboxed in many of the rounds. I scored it a draw personally and I know many that scored it for Lomachenko. Salido came in overweight at the weigh in to have a huge weight advantage and about half the punches he landed were below the belt. That was not a case of Salido just being the better man. That was a dirty fighter using dirty tactics to edge out a win with an incompletent referee. You are entitled to your opinion, but that is mine.

And idk for sure, but was Lomachenko the favourite Vs Gary Russel?!

I was wrong that Ramirez didn’t have quasi pro fights as well.

As for Loma/salido- many posters have posted the opinion that the way to beat a superior boxer ( specifically Floyd )is to make it an ugly brawl and fight dirty. Salido followed that blueprint and won fairly.

Yes Loma was coming on at the end but he lost. No reason to suggest otherwise.

I picked him to beat Russell. I am not sure if he was the favorite going in. Either way he won in dominant fashion.

The bottom line is whether we are talking Loma or Ramirez, top rank fast tracked them and they both got beat early in their careers. If losing isn’t a big deal then we need not keep trying to excuse away losses like this from these 2.

[_Rexy_]

Thanks for that. I didn’t realize Ramirez had the quasi pro fights as well.

I wasn’t using this as a an excuse to defend Ramirez losing.

I know you weren’t lol.

And yeah. Seems most amateurs are in the WSB now, especially since there’s no guarantee about the Olympics.

[DuckAdonis]

I was wrong that Ramirez didn’t have quasi pro fights as well.

As for Loma/salido- many posters have posted the opinion that the way to beat a superior boxer ( specifically Floyd )is to make it an ugly brawl and fight dirty. Salido followed that blueprint and won fairly.

Yes Loma was coming on at the end but he lost. No reason to suggest otherwise.

I picked him to beat Russell. I am not sure if he was the favorite going in. Either way he won in dominant fashion.

The bottom line is whether we are talking Loma or Ramirez, top rank fast tracked them and they both got beat early in their careers. If losing isn’t a big deal then we need not keep trying to excuse away losses like this from these 2.

You can't compare Ramirez losing to a fighter who is 4-2-2 and ranked like #450 in the world with Lomachenko losing a SD to a world champion in Salido. Robeisy Ramirez was not fast tracked at all! That was my main point.
Let's see if Robeisy Ramirez fights someone on Gary Russel Jr's level next? Right...I don't think so.
And how I personally scored the fights has nothing to do with excuses.
If you think he lost the fight with Salido that's ok, but not everyone saw it the same way man. You could argue that it's even more impressive to come back from a loss like that and win a world title when you are 1-1 vs one of the most highly touted prospects.

Everything I stated about the fights are true. Salido did throw lowblows all-night and he did come in overweight at the weigh in to have a weight advantage. You can keep your opinion and I'll keep mine ok?

[1hourRun]

Trolls/guys like you need to be b*tch slapped.

at the guys discrediting Lomachenko. Old man Salido wanted no parts of that rematch because he would get schooled.

Lomachenko would get his well deserved FOTD at the end of the year.

Bumchenko dove right into Salidoe's wastebasket when Orlandoe dropped the WBO into the trash.

[CauliflowerEars]

As for Loma/salido- many posters have posted the opinion that the way to beat a superior boxer ( specifically Floyd )is to make it an ugly brawl and fight dirty. Salido followed that blueprint and won fairly.

The bottom line is whether we are talking Loma or Ramirez, top rank fast tracked them and they both got beat early in their careers. If losing isn’t a big deal then we need not keep trying to excuse away losses like this from these 2.

I don't think we would see threads like this started if it were not for the other threads that bring up the Salido fight. Some guys use terms like clown, bum, hype-job, paper champion, etc etc. They go a little overboard, and of course some are just straight trolling.

I'm not sure that losing isn't such a big deal. It depends on the overall resume and the context surrounding each L and each W. Not all W's are created equal and neither are all L's created equal. There's razor thin decisions, there's dominant performances, vicious knockouts, biased robberies, and a number of variable controversies.

Some guys with undefeated records have fought all tomato cans and just haven't faced anybody yet. Others WERE undefeated until they lost to elite competition.
Apparently, the "experts" have put Loma's L in proper context, because they still rate him P4P and whatnot. Who knows, if not for that Salido decision Lomachenko might not be the pro fighter he is today. Salido's tactics may have worked back then, but the concensus is that Loma has evolved since, and understands how to diffuse that style.

So, an L can be very important, it just depends how it is spun. Like you said, the fast track runs more of a risk and is reserved for the special ones. Those boxers are expected to evolve much much faster than most.
I personally think Loma deserves more props than condemnation, for overcoming the Salido loss. The only time an L needs defending or explaining is when somebody takes it out of context or defines an entire career by it.
Just my perspective. Peace.