Coppinger Reveals More Info on Whyte's Dirty Test!

[KTFOKING]

Why can't you just say oh thanks for that info? They'll only retoractively test if there's a reason to. Don't give them a reason and samples may never be unfrozen. They did the 99 Tour because of Pound. He hates Armstrong and was doing anything possible to capture him.

Thank you for what? I'm asking a legitimate question since you seem well more educated than me on this matter.

Why would VADA re-test their samples unless they are unable to detect what Whyte tested positive for? I get why they did for Armstrong and others, but why for Whyte? I am sure they do test for what he tested positive for, but it just left Whyte's system by the time they tested him.

[thesmokingman]

Thank you for what? I'm asking a legitimate question since you seem well more educated than me on this matter.

Why would VADA re-test their samples unless they are unable to detect what Whyte tested positive for? I get why they did for Armstrong and others, but why for Whyte? I am sure they do test for what he tested positive for, but it just left Whyte's system by the time they tested him.

It's doesn't fkn matter for Whyte. They freeze samples for possible later testing. It's standard protocol.

You seem to be under the impression that a failed test means that the athlete in question only took whatever substance was detected.

It's not like written in stone man. Just cuz a guy got popped for Dbol, doesn't mean that was all he used.

Maybe 5 years later they will develop a better plasticizer test and retroacively test boxers to see if any of them have been blood doping or IV flushing.

Who knows and who really cares man? Also if you actually read the article I linked, it shows that though they do this, its just more or less self confirmation. You can't win in a court of arbitration, sport court, if the athlete in question has no way to defend themselves.

[Redd Foxx]

What do you mean when you say kick start a test cycle and far outside of testing?

Dbol is an oral steroid that kicks in quickly. Testosterone has esters attached to it that make it release slower, so you're not getting unstable testosterone ("test") levels during your cycle, which you make you feel like shyt. You take Dbol when you start injecting and after about 3 weeks (depending on the ester) you stop the Dbol because the testosterone is kicking in. This would all be done when you're not going to be drug tested, obviously.

The reason a lot of fight dates aren't announced until after the fighters have already started camp is so that they don't have to initiate testing right away.

[KTFOKING]

It's doesn't fkn matter for Whyte. They freeze samples for possible later testing. It's standard protocol.

You seem to be under the impression that a failed test means that the athlete in question only took whatever substance was detected.

It's not like written in stone man. Just cuz a guy got popped for Dbol, doesn't mean that was all he used.

Maybe 5 years later they will develop a better plasticizer test and retroacively test boxers to see if any of them have been blood doping or IV flushing.

Who knows and who really cares man? Also if you actually read the article I linked, it shows that though they do this, its just more or less self confirmation. You can't win in a court of arbitration, sport court, if the athlete in question has no way to defend themselves.

So either it seems like you are confused with what I originally said or missed what I was responding to. Look back at what Ray said, my response was to his post. I fully understand VADA and other testing organizations go back to test frozen samples. Sure, that is protocol. He wants VADA to go back RIGHT NOW and test Whyte for the samples they have just recently tested. I'm saying there is no need for that.

But yes, moving on........

[thesmokingman]

So either it seems like you are confused with what I originally said or missed what I was responding to. Look back at what Ray said, my response was to his post. I fully understand VADA and other testing organizations go back to test frozen samples. Sure, that is protocol. He wants VADA to go back RIGHT NOW and test Whyte for the samples they have just recently tested. I'm saying there is no need for that.

But yes, moving on........

I see, sorry. Yea, you're correct they won't go back unless there's a reason to. And yea, I don't see a reason to either. And on the point, there's a lot of needless referring back to VADA just to rationalize things. Not sure casuals realize that testing is done on different random days over the course of a period. Not every test will come back the same.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Dbol is an oral steroid that kicks in quickly. Testosterone has esters attached to it that make it release slower, so you're not getting unstable testosterone ("test") levels during your cycle, which you make you feel like shyt. You take Dbol when you start injecting and after about 3 weeks (depending on the ester) you stop the Dbol because the testosterone is kicking in. This would all be done when you're not going to be drug tested, obviously.

The reason a lot of fight dates aren't announced until after the fighters have already started camp is so that they don't have to initiate testing right away.

So that could explain why he started after two tests conducted within days of each other? Thinking there wouldn't be a 3rd test so quickly? And how would he mask it?

[Redd Foxx]

So that could explain why he started after two tests conducted within days of each other? Thinking there wouldn't be a 3rd test so quickly? And how would he mask it?

I like to stick with subjects I'm knowledgeable in and masking agents aren't something I'm well versed in since I never had to use them, and thus never researched them. Having been around competitive athletes though, I know they are a real thing and are commonly used. If you search "steroid mashing agent" you will find a ton of options, sites selling them, and online forum discussions about them. Most athletes using gear are using a masking agent.

The ultimate goal with "designer" steroids is to beat the testing by creating variations that aren't known by the testing agencies and therefore not being screened. A lot of the metabolites, esters, PCT agents, even masking agents, are what people get popped for, rarely elevated testosterone itself. So, a lot of labs are molecularly altering this stuff slightly so it don't get flagged.


A lot of the bodybuilding supplements (the $80 bottle of pills behind the counter) are actually alterations of oral steroids. For many years now, labs alter a substances that metabolizes as a steroid so that it's legal, until the FDA issues a warning, then they alter it again, until a couple years later when the FDA issues a warning on the new substance, and the game continues over and over.