Whyte is the victim here, ldbc double standards exposed

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  • andocom
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    #11
    Originally posted by soul_survivor
    According to the regulations set out by UKAD and BBBoC, along with other organisations, whyte could not have been banned, suspended or the fight postponed.

    Did he take something? We do not know.

    Was he within the limits set by the regulations? Yes.

    Do we move on? Yes.

    Is wilder a hypocrite? Most definitely.
    We have no idea what was presented to the anti doping panel to let him fight.

    The metabolites found from dbol aren't quantitive, as in there is no allowable limit from what I have read.

    Facts will come out, there will be a reason why he was allowed to fight, will everyone believe it's fair, maybe, maybe not. But this is far from over and you making things up and wishing it away won't make it so.

    Also I was just kidding about maybe everyone will think the panels decision is fair, that absolutely won't happen.

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    • soul_survivor
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      #12
      Originally posted by andocom
      We have no idea what was presented to the anti doping panel to let him fight.

      The metabolites found from dbol aren't quantitive, as in there is no allowable limit from what I have read.

      Facts will come out, there will be a reason why he was allowed to fight, will everyone believe it's fair, maybe, maybe not. But this is far from over and you making things up and wishing it away won't make it so.

      Also I was just kidding about maybe everyone will think the panels decision is fair, that absolutely won't happen.
      UKAD has a quantifiable limit acording to its policy and with regards to dianabol metabolites (epimethandienone and hydroxymethandienone),Whyte's sample was below that limit. This means the amount was small enough that it could have come from any other source than a direct dianobol ingestion (although it does not rule it out).

      UKAD does not invoke any sanction, nor does it ask the BBBoC to do so until the B sample has been tested. It was not tested prior to the fight. Procedures were followed and all relevant parties notified of this.

      With WADA, testing is not quantifiable but qualitative, meaning that any presence of epimethandienone and hydroxymethandienone, or other such metabolites. However, the sample which tested positive was under UKAD testing, not WADA.

      Both fighters underwent VADA testing, in conjunction with WBC rules. VADA itself does not adjudicate results, it is simply there to notify all involved parties and according to VADA and WBC regulations, both camps should have been notified. If Rivas was not, it is not the fault of the BBBoC, UKAD or Hearn.

      What all of this ultimately means is that the B sample results will now be inspected, everyone has to wait for what comes back and only then can a correct decision be made regarding Whyte, his test and his future.

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      • lfc19titles
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        #13
        Originally posted by soul_survivor
        UKAD has a quantifiable limit acording to its policy and with regards to dianabol metabolites (epimethandienone and hydroxymethandienone),Whyte's sample was below that limit. This means the amount was small enough that it could have come from any other source than a direct dianobol ingestion (although it does not rule it out).

        UKAD does not invoke any sanction, nor does it ask the BBBoC to do so until the B sample has been tested. It was not tested prior to the fight. Procedures were followed and all relevant parties notified of this.

        With WADA, testing is not quantifiable but qualitative, meaning that any presence of epimethandienone and hydroxymethandienone, or other such metabolites. However, the sample which tested positive was under UKAD testing, not WADA.

        Both fighters underwent VADA testing, in conjunction with WBC rules. VADA itself does not adjudicate results, it is simply there to notify all involved parties and according to VADA and WBC regulations, both camps should have been notified. If Rivas was not, it is not the fault of the BBBoC, UKAD or Hearn.

        What all of this ultimately means is that the B sample results will now be inspected, everyone has to wait for what comes back and only then can a correct decision be made regarding Whyte, his test and his future.
        Exactly

        Whyte is innocent and it’s the haters jumping on him who want to see a man fall
        Who worked so hard

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        • BLASTER1
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          #14
          Whyte is a certified drug cheat.
          Not once but twice now he has been caught using illegal substances.
          Dillian needs to be dropped from the rankings.
          It's only fair.
          BTW-Wilder would have destroyed Whyte in the ring, he should count himself lucky he doesn't have to be knocked out by the Bronze bomber now.

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            #15
            Originally posted by lfc19titles
            Exactly

            Whyte is innocent and it’s the haters jumping on him who want to see a man fall
            Who worked so hard
            How can he be innocent if he just failed a test.
            Your just dirty all the UK heavies are taking Ls this year.

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              #16
              Originally posted by soul_survivor
              UKAD has a quantifiable limit acording to its policy and with regards to dianabol metabolites (epimethandienone and hydroxymethandienone),Whyte's sample was below that limit. This means the amount was small enough that it could have come from any other source than a direct dianobol ingestion (although it does not rule it out).

              UKAD does not invoke any sanction, nor does it ask the BBBoC to do so until the B sample has been tested. It was not tested prior to the fight. Procedures were followed and all relevant parties notified of this.

              With WADA, testing is not quantifiable but qualitative, meaning that any presence of epimethandienone and hydroxymethandienone, or other such metabolites. However, the sample which tested positive was under UKAD testing, not WADA.

              Both fighters underwent VADA testing, in conjunction with WBC rules. VADA itself does not adjudicate results, it is simply there to notify all involved parties and according to VADA and WBC regulations, both camps should have been notified. If Rivas was not, it is not the fault of the BBBoC, UKAD or Hearn.

              What all of this ultimately means is that the B sample results will now be inspected, everyone has to wait for what comes back and only then can a correct decision be made regarding Whyte, his test and his future.
              Have you got some links for this, man - specially the first bolded section?

              I've been working on the assumption that UKAD was actually working to WADA protocols - or as near as makes no difference. That's quite a significant departure if true...

              I have referred to the UKAD regs a few times in the last few days, but I guess I musta missed that one.

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                #17
                Oh yeah... probably just worth linking in the UKAD rules just for anyone to reference. Never hurts to have easy access to reference information:

                https://www.ukad.org.uk/sites/defaul...ping_rules.pdf

                And the WADA prohibited list:

                https://www.ukad.org.uk/sites/defaul...ted%20List.pdf


                And the WADA code:

                https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau..._v1_linked.pdf


                Ah now this is significant:

                The BBBoC regulations on doping don't really need linking:




                Area:
                Head Office

                BRITISH BOXING BOARD OF CONTROL ANTI-DOPING REGULATIONS

                With regard to the above, United Kingdom Anti-Doping undertake all anti-doping procedures on behalf of the British Boxing Board of Control and any subsequent findings, decisions, suspensions and sanctions are upheld by the British Boxing Board of Control in line with United Kingdom Anti-Doping.

                No further comment will be made at this time.
                Hmmm... that bolded sentence is an odd phrase to include in a policy statement or rules document. Is there some way of finding out if that's been recently amended?
                Last edited by Citizen Koba; 07-30-2019, 04:55 AM.

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                • soul_survivor
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Koba-Grozny
                  Have you got some links for this, man - specially the first bolded section?

                  I've been working on the assumption that UKAD was actually working to WADA protocols - or as near as makes no difference. That's quite a significant departure if true...

                  I have referred to the UKAD regs a few times in the last few days, but I guess I musta missed that one.
                  I got this information from an article published, which I THINK I read on this site, or maybe somewhere on Sky. I can't remember. I'll probably look up their regulations when I have mor etime.

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                  • soul_survivor
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by lfc19titles
                    Exactly

                    Whyte is innocent and it’s the haters jumping on him who want to see a man fall
                    Who worked so hard
                    I am not stating that Whyte is innocent, nor that he is guilty.

                    My post is to highlight the procedures involved and how they were followed by all the various organisations responsible for this fight.

                    WHyte's innocence and guilt is based upon on the investigation which is to follow.

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                    • New England
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by lfc19titles
                      Whyte passed all vada and wbc tests

                      He had an adverse finding with ukad but because it’s so so tiny and he passed
                      Everything else. There’s nothing more to it which is why they let the fight go on and Whyte is innocent. Nothing else will be heard from this

                      You seen the YouTube videos from the ldbc

                      If Whyte is innocent why does he have legal advisors ?

                      Like wtf is that about ? At a hearing, he obviously has to have them

                      Whyte is owed an apology, wilder fans and anti Hearn haters jumped on this because they found a way to keep wilder safe, a man who has metal in his hands which he punches may I add. Yet Whyte is the cheat


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