Thurman/Pacquiao is why you DON'T use punch stats to score a fight.

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  • Combat Talk Radio
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    Thurman/Pacquiao is why you DON'T use punch stats to score a fight.

    According to the displayed punch stats, Thurman outlanded Manny almost 2-1.

    First of all, anyone who watched that fight in a high definition knows there's no damn way Manny didn't land more than Thurman. In Rounds 1-5 alone, where the bulk of Manny's offense occurred, punches WERE connecting to the body on Thurman that weren't being counted. Manny was alternating shots upstairs and downstairs and Thurman wasn't fast enough to block many of those shots.

    But let's say for argument's sake that Thurman did outland Manny. You can't have watched Rounds 1-5 and tell me that Thurman clearly won any of those rounds. Then you add him getting knocked down (which makes it a 10-8 round) and you automatically have AT MINIMUM a draw unless Thurman got a KD or KO on Manny, neither of which happened.

    Now, I can accept if you gave Thurman Round 5. It was half and half with Thurman winning the first half clearly. So it comes down to effectiveness. The problem with that is, Thurman kept overreacting to every shot Manny threw at him and started getting walked down. That plus the shots Manny landed made him look like the ring general when you compare that against Thurman's offense.

    Outside of that Round 10 was the clincher, because of how Thurman reacted and ran due to the body shot that froze him despite having really good work otherwise.


    So you need to ask yourself the next time you just say "Fighter A landed more". Can you seriously look yourself in the mirror and say that Manny was more hurt ROUND BY ROUND than Keith Thurman? Who got dropped, who got bodied, who got chin checked repeatedly, etc.

    I'm actually okay with thinking Manny won vs Keith or vice versa because some rounds were close. But the punch STATS had nothing to do with the win. Overall quality of offense is what won the fight - and in my eyes, Manny had it JUST BARELY, but had Keith not gotten knocked down, I saw a draw easily.
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    #2
    I thought Keith out landed Manny. Manny throws like 5 punches in a row to land only one.

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    • CatchAndShoot
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      #3
      Manny also landed a lot of shots between his gloves, which the stat trackers probably didn't count.

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      • hugh grant
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        #4
        Keith is honest in that he thought he lost which is refreshing. Which is credit to keith

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        • TMTForever99
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          #5
          thurman won 114-113 7-5 in favor of thurman. he had to do more than a 7-5 to beat pacquiao who is adored by the boxing commun ity. thurman needed an 10-2 9-3, 8-4 performance. he did beat pac up so errol spence will finish him off.

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          • hectari
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            #6
            When manny fights its hard to see his punches and count them. Like the knockdown, i didn't see ****, his combo didn't even look like it landed. Then slow mo showed him hit him in the body follow by a right cross to the chin.

            Also when he hurt thurman nobody saw the body shot, joe gooseen even said it was a head butt, but it was a body shot that hurt thurman.

            Pacman is so wild and awkward its hard to tell or count which punches land. You cant see them until you see the slow replays

            So compubox which is a human with a clicker cant count them all.

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              #7
              Originally posted by hectari
              When manny fights its hard to see his punches and count them. Like the knockdown, i didn't see ****, his combo didn't even look like it landed. Then slow mo showed him hit him in the body follow by a right cross to the chin.

              Also when he hurt thurman nobody saw the body shot, joe gooseen even said it was a head butt, but it was a body shot that hurt thurman.

              Pacman is so wild and awkward its hard to tell or count which punches land. You cant see them until you see the slow replays

              So compubox which is a human with a clicker cant count them all.
              If you didn't see Manny's punch land flush on Thurman's chin the first time...I don't know man. I'm rocking full HD on an OLED and I saw it plain as day.

              Same with that body shot. I saw the punch land but didn't think it did that much damage. But this is Thurman who we already know is vulnerable to the body and a headbutt doesn't make you freeze up like that.

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              • ramplamp
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                #8
                I thought I noticed several instances where the punch stats were giving Thurman credit for punches that Manny blocked.

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                • Richard G
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                  #9
                  This thread should be rammed into all those fanboys who rely on compubox, but only when it suits them. Obviously ring control is a factor with the judges and so it should be otherwise there would be boxers who would only go for punch numbers. And that would make a joke of any fight.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by CatchAndShoot
                    Manny also landed a lot of shots between his gloves, which the stat trackers probably didn't count.
                    That, and the fact that Manny's body work was almost never clean blocked.

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