Manny Pacquiao!!

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • KTFOKING
    Undisputed Champion
    Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
    • Jun 2018
    • 14399
    • 1,266
    • 284
    • 344,781

    #11
    Originally posted by John Locke
    Thurman was active having fought Lopez in Jan bro and going into this fight, nobody at 147 had a better resume except Manny.
    His recent form didn't show he was #1. And Spence beating Brook was a better win than Thurman beating DSG or Porter.

    Best resume or not, Thurman had over a two year lay off and didn't look all that great in his comeback fight. He would have been the solid underdog against both Spence and Crawford.

    This was a damn good win for Pacquiao don't get it twisted, but to say he beat the #1 WW is......suspect.

    Comment

    • John Locke
      Undisputed Champion
      Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
      • Sep 2013
      • 7818
      • 411
      • 287
      • 40,060

      #12
      Originally posted by KTFOKING
      His recent form didn't show he was #1. And Spence beating Brook was a better win than Thurman beating DSG or Porter.

      Best resume or not, Thurman had over a two year lay off and didn't look all that great in his comeback fight. He would have been the solid underdog against both Spence and Crawford.

      This was a damn good win for Pacquiao don't get it twisted, but to say he beat the #1 WW is......suspect.
      Brook is a good win on a similar level to Danny and Porter, but context matters. Look at when they fought, we've been over this.

      Thurman didn't look at his sharpest against Lopez cos he was out for 2 years, but he still won that fight by a wide, wide margin. People overreact to him being hurt in the 7th, not the first or last time Thurman has been hurt.

      There's nothing suspect about saying the most proven welterweight is the best welterweight. I don't flip-flop based on outcomes.

      Comment

      • KTFOKING
        Undisputed Champion
        Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
        • Jun 2018
        • 14399
        • 1,266
        • 284
        • 344,781

        #13
        Originally posted by John Locke
        Brook is a good win on a similar level to Danny and Porter, but context matters. Look at when they fought, we've been over this.

        Thurman didn't look at his sharpest against Lopez cos he was out for 2 years, but he still won that fight by a wide, wide margin. People overreact to him being hurt in the 7th, not the first or last time Thurman has been hurt.

        There's nothing suspect about saying the most proven welterweight is the best welterweight. I don't flip-flop based on outcomes.
        Would Spence and Crawford have been favorites over Thurman if they fought him today instead of Pacquiao, yes or no? You say context matters yet ignore that Thurman had one win in the last 2.5 years against a journeyman fighter in a fight he got rocked bad and lost some rounds to.

        I guess you would pick Pacquiao to handle Spence and Crawford as well…..

        Comment

        • kidbazooka
          Banned
          Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
          • Dec 2015
          • 10062
          • 278
          • 2
          • 133,405

          #14
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza
          Legacy enhancer for Pacquaio.

          I thought at 40 one of the top young guns would be too much. I was very confident he'd lose. Happy to be wrong.

          One of the best fighters I've seen no doubt about it in the 50 years I've watched Boxing.
          Damn bro how old are you? Lol
          Same here haven’t been around close to 50 yrs but manny is the definition of legendary.

          True great.

          Comment

          • John Locke
            Undisputed Champion
            Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
            • Sep 2013
            • 7818
            • 411
            • 287
            • 40,060

            #15
            Originally posted by KTFOKING
            Would Spence and Crawford have been favorites over Thurman if they fought him today instead of Pacquiao, yes or no? You say context matters yet ignore that Thurman had one win in the last 2.5 years against a journeyman fighter in a fight he got rocked bad and lost some rounds to.

            I guess you would pick Pacquiao to handle Spence and Crawford as well…..
            I don't know, those fights would've had to be made to know. I know they would both be favourites over him now, but nothing wide. I'm not ignoring that at all, even with the 2 years out, did he still not have the best resume?

            I would pick Crawford to outpoint Manny and Spence to stop him, but none of that matters, it's just my opinion - not on paper. Plus styles make fights etc.

            But going into the fight, Keith Thurman was the #1 welterweight, I'm not trying to rewrite history.

            Comment

            • Gideon lock
              Undisputed Champion
              Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
              • Apr 2019
              • 4917
              • 902
              • 1,440
              • 70,377

              #16
              Originally posted by .WesternChamp.
              time to put some respect on this man's name! i told yall mofos this was gonna be all manny! even at 40! we seen it all in this fight. we saw pac took some straight clean shots from thurman and didnt go down.. we also saw pac gassing towards the end.

              lets stop all the ped accusation and all the talk about how manny will get ko once he face a puncher. anyone can get ko with the right shot, they dont need to face a puncher!! with that being said, pac is old ass shiiet now and should retire!
              We weren't wrong about one last hurrah from pac. The man the myth!

              Comment

              • Rip Chudd
                1 John 2:22
                Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                • Jun 2010
                • 22689
                • 1,932
                • 1,321
                • 260,351

                #17
                Originally posted by John Locke
                Thurman was active having fought Lopez in Jan bro and going into this fight, nobody at 147 had a better resume except Manny.
                Beating Josesito Lopez doesn't bring you to #1. He has a decent resume but when you step away for a period and come back to beat a tune up you aren't catapulted to #1. You have to fight the other guys that have been putting in work to clear that up

                Comment

                • John Locke
                  Undisputed Champion
                  Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 7818
                  • 411
                  • 287
                  • 40,060

                  #18
                  Originally posted by Rip Chudd
                  Beating Josesito Lopez doesn't bring you to #1. He has a decent resume but when you step away for a period and come back to beat a tune up you aren't catapulted to #1. You have to fight the other guys that have been putting in work to clear that up
                  It wasn't beating Lopez that got him to #1 bro. You have to earn the #1 spot. The other guys simply didn't put in the work to establish themselves as #1 in Thurman's absence, so once he was back and active, it was a no-brainer really.

                  Comment

                  • Rip Chudd
                    1 John 2:22
                    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 22689
                    • 1,932
                    • 1,321
                    • 260,351

                    #19
                    Originally posted by John Locke
                    It wasn't beating Lopez that got him to #1 bro. You have to earn the #1 spot. The other guys simply didn't put in the work to establish themselves as #1 in Thurman's absence, so once he was back and active, it was a no-brainer really.
                    Thurman hasn't put in the recent work to be #1 bro, nobody at WW has. They need to fight each other to clear that up, that fool wasn't #1 by default with a win over a journeyman in the past 2 years. Take your blinders off

                    Heck, Floyd wasn't even #1 after the marquez win

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    TOP