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  • Murcielago
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    #11
    Originally posted by GrandpaBernard
    is very impressive

    Group think years ago was manny style won't allow him to age gracefully as a fighter

    Unorthodox style depending on athleticism and been in many wars.

    Tonight at 40 he conquered a prime undefeated welterweight who did some good work in the division.

    I had it 116-111 for manny.
    What a performance by Manny Pacquiao, who won a split decision over Keith Thurman to win the most widely recognized WBA "super" version of the welterweight title. With the victory -- and I had Pacquiao ahead by a point -- he has achieved a lot of boxing history. Consider:

    * Pacquiao is the first fighter ever to win widely recognized versions of the 147-pound title on four occasions, breaking his tie with three-time winners Jack Britton and Emile Griffith.

    * At 40 years 225 days, Pacquiao becomes the oldest fighter ever to win a widely recognized belt at 147 and the first to do so after age 40.

    * Pacquiao now holds the number one, four and five spots in terms of oldest fighters to win a widely recognized 147-pound world title. He was 36 years 333 days old when he decisioned Jessie Vargas in November 2016, and 35 years 125 days old when he defeated Timothy Bradley Jr. in April 2014.

    * Pacquiao is the only fighter to win widely recognized welterweight titles after the age of 35 on three occasions (W 12 Bradley, W 12 Vargas, W 12 Thurman)

    * Pacquiao has become the first and only fighter in boxing history to win widely recognized world titles as a teenager and as a 40-year-old. He was 19 years 357 days old when he won the WBC flyweight title and is 40 years 225 days old tonight.

    * Pacquiao is 30th on the all-time list of youngest world champions, and, by beating Thurman, he won a widely recognized world title at the seventh oldest age of all time and became the fifth oldest individual to do so. The four men ahead of him are Bernard Hopkins -- who won three shares of championships at 49 years 106 days, 48 years 65 days and 46 years 137 days -- George Foreman at 45 years 310 days, Thulane "Sugar Boy" Malinga" at 42 years 19 days, and Cornelius Bundrage at 41 years 36 days). He also joined "younger" 40-year-olds Sam Soliman (40 years 209 days) and Bob Fitzsimmons (40 years 193 days). Malinga also won a belt at 40 years 92 days.

    * Pacquiao has become the second fighter ever to extend his championship arc past 20 years (20 years 233 days to be exact). He won his first major title on December 4, 1998 and won his latest on July 20, 2019. Only George Foreman's arc of 22 years 163 days is longer (won his first belt on January 22, 1973 and relinquished his final widely recognized belt -- the IBF title -- on June 29, 1995), but Foreman was retired for more than a decade while Pacquiao remained active throughout.

    * Now that Pacquiao has defeated Thurman, he likely will become the first fighter to hold a widely recognized belt in four different decades because he'll likely not fight again until 2020 (he's held titles in the 1990s, 2000s and 2010s).

    NOTE: All calculated ages include "leap days" lived, for Feb. 29 is a day lived just like all other days we are alive. Therefore, due credit must be given.

    For the record, I picked Thurman to win the fight because I did not think Pacquiao could duplicate the work rate of his prime years. Tonight, he averaged 57.1 punches per round, throwing 80 in the fourth, 71 in the fifth and 60 in the eighth, plus, he out-threw Thurman in eight of the 12 rounds. I, along with many others, were proven wrong. Given the same circumstances, I'd make the same pick for the same reasons, but the possibility of unexpected and historic performances is one of the many reasons why I love boxing so much.

    Congratulations to Manny Pacquiao for his well-deserved and hard-fought victory, and all the best to the former champ Keith Thurman, who was, in his initial comments, sportsmanlike and classy. - Lee Groves

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    • mathed
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      #12
      Originally posted by Francis M.
      I don't know, Garcia might be a bad match up for PAC at this point plus Garcia knows how to put dudes away when he gets them hurt.
      Garcia is comfortable at this point. If he gets an "easy touch", he'll look like a million bucks but I think a focused Pac can time him. It would be a great name to end a career with. After tonight, I'd say a competitive fight but still a winnable one for the legend.

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      • Southpawology
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        #13
        Pac is lightning in a bottle

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        • Weebler I
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          #14
          Originally posted by Francis M.
          I don't know, Garcia might be a bad match up for PAC at this point plus Garcia knows how to put dudes away when he gets them hurt.
          Garcia would be confused by Pacquiao's footwork. It was Thurman's movement and footwork that beat Garcia.

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          • mathed
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            #15
            Originally posted by KTFOKING
            Yeah, DSG is a fight he can definitely win....Also a fight that DSG could knock Manny out.

            If Spence gets by Porter, then that fight could turn out to be ugly for Pacquiao. One thing to get tired against Thurman, but if he gets tired vs Spence then he's getting hurt badly.
            As much as I'll support Pac, and I truly do believe that Spence has been fabricated, I will admit that Spence is a bad matchup for Pac unless he can improve his stamina.

            I want Spence to face Crawford, no excuses, no "building", just make it happen for the fans.

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            • TRTboy
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              #16
              Originally posted by mathed
              I want to see him take out Garcia at least then call it a day. He can at least do that..this win will motivate him to one more last victory.
              I feel like Garcia is a very dangerous fight for Manny. Garcia has great counters and timing and he has KO power.

              Honestly in a perfect world I would love for Manny to retire on top but we know he will fight again.

              You know what if Pac wants to go out with a **** I'd rather him try and topple Spence. I mean if he going to lose to these young lions one day I'd rather him lose to the best.

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              • boxinggod101
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                #17
                Originally posted by mathed
                Not to hang from the man's "parts" but the way people diss him is unbelievable. I understand the "my fighter" and "your fighter" dynamics and all that other trash talking stuff but Pac is a legend man, no one can deny what he has done. To talk about him like he is cleaning up bathrooms or whatever is so absurd. Just like I'll rag on Flroid, I do realize how good he really was. People genuinely take some of this race-related trash way too far. Talent is talent and when you see it, it deserves to be recognized.
                You cant fix ******. Most of these guys are race baiters and hate MAnny cause they were told to do so. I went to a guy youtube live and the guy was about to cry. Kept claiming PED use... You can guess his race... Sadly this is what it has come to.

                Floyd is better than Manny but I feel Manny had a better career. I repeat... Floyd is better than Manny, but Manny has that old school warrior legend vibe to him

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                • mathed
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by TRTboy
                  I feel like Garcia is a very dangerous fight for Manny. Garcia has great counters and timing and he has KO power.

                  Honestly in a perfect world I would love for Manny to retire on top but we know he will fight again.

                  You know what if Pac wants to go out with a **** I'd rather him try and topple Spence. I mean if he going to lose to these young lions one day I'd rather him lose to the best.
                  Even if Pac could be on point for 3 minutes of all 12 rds.....I think that I would rather see Spence face someone like Crawford. Spence would beat Thurman IMO, and I'd like to say Manny would work the rookie over but it may be a stretch too far.

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                  • KTFOKING
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by mathed
                    As much as I'll support Pac, and I truly do believe that Spence has been fabricated, I will admit that Spence is a bad matchup for Pac unless he can improve his stamina.

                    I want Spence to face Crawford, no excuses, no "building", just make it happen for the fans.
                    Yessir, Spence vs Crawford is THE fight.

                    But Pacquiao beating Thurman and having the WBC strap obviously makes him a legitimate opponent against either Spence or Crawford.

                    Both fights can happen next year though. No reason we can't get Spence vs Pacquiao and then Crawford later in the year. Of course, that is assuming he gets by both Porter and Pacquiao. Then you will have the big undisputed match up with all four belts on the line.

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                    • GrandpaBernard
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by boxinggod101
                      Originally posted by mathed
                      Not to hang from the man's "parts" but the way people diss him is unbelievable. I understand the "my fighter" and "your fighter" dynamics and all that other trash talking stuff but Pac is a legend man, no one can deny what he has done. To talk about him like he is cleaning up bathrooms or whatever is so absurd. Just like I'll rag on Flroid, I do realize how good he really was. People genuinely take some of this race-related trash way too far. Talent is talent and when you see it, it deserves to be recognized.
                      You cant fix ******. Most of these guys are race baiters and hate MAnny cause they were told to do so. I went to a guy youtube live and the guy was about to cry. Kept claiming PED use... You can guess his race... Sadly this is what it has come to.

                      Floyd is better than Manny but I feel Manny had a better career. I repeat... Floyd is better than Manny, but Manny has that old school warrior legend vibe to him
                      I'm no manny fan due to all the hyper ignorant bs perpetuated by his fans throughout the years

                      However, he surprising me and impressed me with his longevity. Credit where it rightfully due

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