Mayweather takes a MASSIVE dive in the history books tonight (RIP floyd)

[aboutfkntime]

We're talking about the LINEAL titles here, not just any belts. Lineal titles, as in the man who beat the man who beat the man. Lineal titles aren't paper belts, but mean something, and have always meant something.

And we're comparing Pac vs. May here, not past champs. Pac and May are of THIS era, not past eras. So your argument about past eras is completely irrelevant. In THIS era, Pac has accomplished way more than May "pound-for-pound", i.e. in terms of weight.

Why should we be listing "names" when everyone here already knows who Pac and May beat? Last I checked, both Pac and May each beat about 21 world champions (feel free to correct me here). But the big difference here is that Pac beat champions across a much wider range of weight classes than May did. And that's what puts Pac above May in the "pound-for-pound" GOAT rankings.

And finally, Max Kellerman accurately predicted that May would beat Pac. And he said it himself that he prefers May's pure boxing style over Pac's aggressive style. So calling him a Pac "fanboy" is ridiculous. He predicted May would win that fight because he's the bigger man, and it turned out as he predicted.

While May has been beating smaller guys for most of his career, Pac has been beating bigger guys for most of his career. The point you keep ignoring is that Pac is a smaller guy beating bigger guys. That's literally what it means to be a "pound-for-pound" great.

The Ring rank using lineage.....

The Ring, had Canelo ranked the #1 middleweight on the planet..... despite the fact that Canelo had never fought above 155, and despite the fact that he had never faced a middleweight opponent

at the SAME time.....

..... they had Adonis Stevenson ranked ahead of Kovalev

ranking by lineage is horribly flawed

until the advent of multiple sanctioning bodies, there was no such thing as a lineal champion

if we only had one title per division..... we would not have a lineal champion, because we would have a real champion

in plenty of cases the lineal champ is not the best in his division, I just gave you two recent examples above..... also, there are plenty of guys who ARE the best in their division, but not the lineal champ..... so lineage is over-rated and horribly flawed

here is the REAL point.....

" lineal/lineage " (wank wank)..... did not exist back in the day when many greats were doing their thing, it is more recently introduced fukwittery that happened later..... the ONLY criteria for greatness is..... who did you beat, with consideration given to when/how..... so, forget using the word 'lineal' to describe some win as magically great, and simply use the fighters name..... let that win stand on it's own merits, just like we did with the greats

there is one criteria for greatness, and it already works perfectly fine for everybody..... and it sure does remove a LOT of bullshlt

same with Mayweather, same with everyone

[aboutfkntime]

LOL, nobody expected a 2nd round KO or a violent KO.
Get real.

Pac was a red hot favorite, most punters picked Pac by stoppage
https://www.boxingscene.com/boxingsc...-hatton--19690


Las Vegas odds.....

Hatton by Decision: +700

Hatton by KO +400

Pacquiao by Decision: +275

Pacquiao by KO: -120

Draw: 25/1

It will go 10 rounds -120

It won't go 10 rounds +115

Freddie Roach made the prediction that this fight will end in Round 4.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-betting-odds

[Johnwoo8686]

1. Manny fought Marquez 4x.

Of course he fought him in his prime, multiple times.

2. Manny fought De La Hoya & Mayweather when they were willing to fight him. They were the A-sides, who held all the cards.

3. Floyd took the easy road because he never left the confines of Las Vegas for the last 12 years of his career and never fought overseas. Also fighting guys before or after they were at their most dangerous.

4. Manny starting at 108 and having common opponents as Mayweather is a win for Pacquiao. Could you imagine Chocolatito and Danny Garcia having common opponents? Could you imagine Chocolatito being a 4x welterweight champion and beating undefeated welterweights at 40 years old?

5. I agree that Manny got a favorable decision in the 3rd fight after getting a crappy decision in the fight before due to a scoring error. Also, Manny didn't have to fight Marquez at all and could've just left the 3 fights alone.

6. Most all-time P4P lists have Duran over Mayweather. And I never said most of them have Pac over May. I said they have SIMILAR rankings on most lists, including the ESPN list that has Mayweather 1 & Manny 2.

That dude was arguing that they're not even in the same ballpark.

7. Crappy decisions happen everywhere. If Floyd fought overseas, chances are he gets robbed a few times just like Manny did. Was not possible in Las Vegas, which is why he never left

1) Marquez was already in his 30's by the time Manny fought him the first time. Their rematch happened years later when Marquez was nearing 35 years old and Manny still couldn't beat him decisively. No athlete at 35 is still considered prime.

2) Manny's team initially turned down the De La Hoya fight when it was offered to them. Freddie Roach said Oscar was too big for Manny but then changed his mind because Freddie himself saw that Oscar was slipping. Freddie trained Oscar and he could see Oscar was not the fighter he used to be. So yes, that was good timing on Manny's team's part.

3) You say Floyd fought guys before or after they were at their most dangerous? Coralles was undefeated at 33-0 with 30 knockouts and he and Floyd were the same age when Floyd finished him. Hatton was undefeated with 43 wins and 30 knockout when Floyd finished him. Canelo was 23 years old with 43 wins and 0 losses as well as 30 knockouts when Floyd schooled him. Don't tell me Canelo was too young either because 23 is the same age Floyd was when he dominated Coralles, the same age Ali was when he knocked out Liston a second time and it's older than Tyson was when he became undisputed heavyweight champion. STOP changing the rules for each fighter.

4) Like I told you before Manny started fighting as a literal kid. You can't turn pro as a kid in the U.S. Using the Chocolatito comparison is silly because Chocolatito is still way smaller than Manny. He will never be close to Danny Garcia's size. Garcia also started his career heavier than Floyd did.

[hugh grant]

Maidana did not beat Mayweather, Hugh is a fkn dick

Maidana realistic!y beat floyd more than jmm beat pac.
In Argentina they might've given 10-2 to maidana. In Mexico Pac wouldve wouldve got decision over jmm. Pac bought Mexican style

[Roadblock]

People are talking..

Manny's legacy is climbing up while Floyd goes sinking down down..

Floyds legacy is cemented in history you clown, the more fighters achieve after he beat them is a feather in his history cap, thats the bit you are oblivious too because your head is so far up your ass you only see youre own sht, the last laugh is on you and youre too blind to know it.

[hugh grant]

Floyds legacy is cemented in history you clown, the more fighters achieve after he beat them is a feather in his history cap, thats the bit you are oblivious too because your head is so far up your ass you only see youre own sht, the last laugh is on you and youre too blind to know it.

Most of the fighters Floyd beat achieved nothing after they lost to floyd. Castillo, corrales, hatton, dlh, list goes on.
So stop the nonsense. Floyd fans live in fantasy land with there is nothing Pac can do to surpass floyd type comments. Jc is not greater than bh, is everyone bh beat a feather in jc cap.? B h lost 8 times, and jc beat bh so by Floyd fans logic JC is greater?
You really need to hammer sense into Floyd fans heads. Need to nail them to floor.

[Roadblock]

Most of the fighters Floyd beat achieved nothing after they lost to floyd. Castillo, corrales, hatton, dlh, list goes on.
So stop the nonsense. Floyd fans live in fantasy land with there is nothing Pac can do to surpass floyd type comments. Jc is not greater than bh, is everyone bh beat a feather in jc cap.? B h lost 8 times, and jc beat by so by Floyd fans logic is is greater

Youre not very intelligent ah you , best you go back over your dribble its flawed on so many levels.

[Spoon23]

Floyds legacy is cemented in history you clown, the more fighters achieve after he beat them is a feather in his history cap, thats the bit you are oblivious too because your head is so far up your ass you only see youre own sht, the last laugh is on you and youre too blind to know it.

No one said it's not. Why so defensive. Floyd's legacy has been written. He's around top 40 - 50 at the most. He can only get better if he un-retires and improve on his resume' but I highly doubt it. He's too rusty and corroded to even dare improve in his legacy.

Meanwhile.. Pac's legacy is still being carved. We have to wait until he retires to know how far deep Pac can reach, but at this point.

It's pretty damn good.

5-10 https://t.co/0sNXVgOEwo

— Max Kellerman (@maxkellerman) July 21, 2019

[hugh grant]

Youre not very intelligent ah you , best you go back over your dribble its flawed on so many levels.

Floyd fans logic is so flawed. Jc beat bh, and is unbeaten so jc must be greater right? Plus all bh wins are a feather in jc cap right.
Jc must be GOAT nearly

[aboutfkntime]

Maidana realistic!y beat floyd more than jmm beat pac.
In Argentina they might've given 10-2 to maidana. In Mexico Pac wouldve wouldve got decision over jmm. Pac bought Mexican style

only in your little mind