Comments Thread For: Canelo Won't Fight in September, Return is Postponed

[Boxing Logic]

Some of what you are saying makes sense but why not Andrade? The guy is 28-0 with skills and calls everyone out. If Canelo was willing to fight him in Sept. then the fight should have been made. Boxing always screws itself. DAZN would not be settling with a Canelo/Andrade matchup.

How do you know Canelo was willing to fight Andrade? They knew DAZN hadn't approved him, which made making him a fake offer a risk-free proposition because they knew it couldn't actually happen. That allowed them to get credit for making the offer, and make DAZN look like the bad guy. Had DAZN approved Andrade, they may not have made an offer then. You know how GBP do things. We just can't keep falling for it or assume things.

And why not Andrade? Almost lost to Culcauy and Vanes, has zero quality wins at 160 or even 154. Sulecki made his bones getting dropped and losing to an unmotivated Daniel Jacobs struggling to make 160 after hitting his 30s, then has looked like **** in every fight since then, and never looked that good before then either. That's not a good win. Sulecki also has like a negative KO ratio. No power, lack of elite speed and athleticism, good not great skills. A B-level boxer at best.

Ever since Canelo ducked prime GGG who would have been a 5-1 favorite against him or something along those lines, I want to see him face guys who also would be a favorite vs him, who would have a good chance to beat him. Unproven guys with major weaknesses like Andrade or Callum Smith are not interesting to me at all. Even old GGG is not that interesting at this point. Canelo basically screwed his career and the entire weight range he fights at when he dropped the WBC vs GGG. Only fights I really care about now for Canelo are Bivol, Gvozdyk, and maybe Kovalev although he's old now too and his performances are hit or miss. At least with him there's a 50/50 chance of a really formidable dangerous opponent showing up in the ring with Canelo. With Andrade and Smith, I think the chances are very small. Andrade is physically weak for 160 and has zero power. Smith is slow, flat footed, unskilled, and his power is severely overrated. Couldn't even knock OUT a chinny middleweight N'Dam coming up from 160 despite hitting him on the button many times, couldn't even knock out a kickboxer Holzen. Only reason people think he's elite is because he beat Groves who turned out to still be injured. Groves almost got stopped by Chudinov anyway, barely beat a middleweight Eubank Jr. Wouldn't Canelo beat Eubank Jr pretty wide? Froch hurt and got a controversial stoppage, then KTFO'd, a much better version of Groves years earlier anyway, and Froch himself was a very limited fighter whose skills did not compare to prime GGG at all. And his power was good not great, as Jean Pascal and Ward both proved. Yet Groves made him look like George Foreman power. So the fact Smith stopped an older injured version of Groves proves... what? Exactly, very little.


Canelo vs Bivol and Gvozdyk (before he ages anymore) are what I'm interested in, with Kovalev as a fallback. Oscar says Canelo walks around 185-190 pounds, so let's see what he can do at 175 where there are still two prime top fighters after what he did at 160, avoiding the one top prime fighter there in this era of weak middleweights.

[j.razor]

The champ cancelling a massive Independence Day event because he doesn't want to fight a 38 year old "sissy" or anyone else that's decent is a BAD look, bro.

Whoever Golovkin fights will be infinitely better than fighting literally no one.

If Nelo's team is smart they will fight his mandatory in May 2020.

Who ever Pvssy-g fights I bet it would be lesser than no one.

[QballLobo]

I wonder why DAZN wouldn’t approve Andrade?
Even with the Haymon/WBC shenanigans it still made sense.

[j.razor]

Mouthwash will get that ginger taste out of your mouth.

Fluoride free water will help clear your Pineal Gland.

[Alan Smithee]

Why didnt we hear from Andrade or GGG's team for example that "Canelo is lowballing me" like we heard from Krusher's team, commenting on twitter on some fight is one thing, sending a future contract with exact amount is another

Not sure how far the discussions went but obviously Andrade was a viable option. I think Skipper and DAZN roadblocked the fight. I'm glad that Canelo was interested in a Andrade fight. Shows he is willing to fight a tough dude! Boo Boo is boring but tricky!

[alexjust]

Can it be any clearer: Canelo does not want to fight GGG? Big "FU" to GGG, fans who wanted a third fight and DAZN. Is he planning to fight Kovalev in December? And then will gracefully descend to fighting GGG in May when GGG is 38? It is a shame that Canelo is building his resume off the weak or past their prime. For somebody of that level of skill and talent, he is surprisingly cowardice.

[Boxing Logic]

Gomez said Alvarez trainer Eddy Reynoso and his father, Alvarez manager and assistant trainer Chepo Reynoso, watched Andrade-Sulecki on Saturday night and gave the thumbs-up to pursue a possible fight with Andrade (28-0, 17 KOs), a 31-year-old southpaw, who, like Alvarez, is affiliated with broadcaster DAZN, making a deal relatively easy to make.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...-sept-14-clash

The entire fact that Canelo's trainers need to be ringside to watch other middleweights, and make sure they're not that good before giving the "thumbs-up" for Canelo to fight them, is the root of the problem. Why do Canelo's trainers need to give the "thumbs-up" on fighting other fighters in his division? They are in his division. If they're the best in his division, then he should fight them unless he's fighting better guys in higher divisions. Wtf is this "thumbs up"? This gives a lot of insight into how the Canelo team handled the situation with prime GGG. Sit ringside, watch each performance until you see he's declined enough for Canelo to be competitive with him, then give the "thumbs-up."

What a complete fraud.

[Alan Smithee]

How do you know Canelo was willing to fight Andrade? They knew DAZN hadn't approved him, which made making him a fake offer a risk-free proposition because they knew it couldn't actually happen. That allowed them to get credit for making the offer, and make DAZN look like the bad guy. Had DAZN approved Andrade, they may not have made an offer then. You know how GBP do things. We just can't keep falling for it or assume things.

And why not Andrade? Almost lost to Culcauy and Vanes, has zero quality wins at 160 or even 154. Sulecki made his bones getting dropped and losing to an unmotivated Daniel Jacobs struggling to make 160 after hitting his 30s, then has looked like **** in every fight since then, and never looked that good before then either. That's not a good win. Sulecki also has like a negative KO ratio. No power, lack of elite speed and athleticism, good not great skills. A B-level boxer at best.

Ever since Canelo ducked prime GGG who would have been a 5-1 favorite against him or something along those lines, I want to see him face guys who also would be a favorite vs him, who would have a good chance to beat him. Unproven guys with major weaknesses like Andrade or Callum Smith are not interesting to me at all. Even old GGG is not that interesting at this point. Canelo basically screwed his career and the entire weight range he fights at when he dropped the WBC vs GGG. Only fights I really care about now for Canelo are Bivol, Gvozdyk, and maybe Kovalev although he's old now too and his performances are hit or miss. At least with him there's a 50/50 chance of a really formidable dangerous opponent showing up in the ring with Canelo. With Andrade and Smith, I think the chances are very small. Andrade is physically weak for 160 and has zero power. Smith is slow, flat footed, unskilled, and his power is severely overrated. Couldn't even knock OUT a chinny middleweight N'Dam coming up from 160 despite hitting him on the button many times, couldn't even knock out a kickboxer Holzen. Only reason people think he's elite is because he beat Groves who turned out to still be injured. Groves almost got stopped by Chudinov anyway, barely beat a middleweight Eubank Jr. Wouldn't Canelo beat Eubank Jr pretty wide? Froch hurt and got a controversial stoppage, then KTFO'd, a much better version of Groves years earlier anyway, and Froch himself was a very limited fighter whose skills did not compare to prime GGG at all. And his power was good not great, as Jean Pascal and Ward both proved. Yet Groves made him look like George Foreman power. So the fact Smith stopped an older injured version of Groves proves... what? Exactly, very little.


Canelo vs Bivol and Gvozdyk (before he ages anymore) are what I'm interested in, with Kovalev as a fallback. Oscar says Canelo walks around 185-190 pounds, so let's see what he can do at 175 where there are still two prime top fighters after what he did at 160, avoiding the one top prime fighter there in this era of weak middleweights.

I would love a Bivol/Alvarez fight, even at 168. Bivol seems open to 168 and that would be a great matchup. You may be right on Andrade. It's easy to make claims knowing the fight can't happen. I give Callum Smith a little more credit than you do but i'm not that thrilled about a Canelo/Smith fight at this point. Let's see Smith beat a top 168 pounder first! Plant or Zurdo, if he doesn't move up! Canelo and Golden Boy are playing the "age" game and have been for years. Can't blame them. It is a business after all. Why fight a young guy when you can fight older dudes for the same if not more dough?

[JuniorTorres720]

What's the point if we know Nelo going to win again? Nelo also told Sissy-g to get a belt so WHY isn't Sissy-g getting one? OH, cuz he CAN'T! He just chasing the money (Nelo) like he said he wasn't about.

The reason people want this fight is because many people saw GGG winning the first one and the second fight could have gone either way or a draw. The third one is just the next logical step to settle the score. And if Canelo was really about collecting belts, then why did he technically vacate the WBC to give it to Charlo? He did the same thing when he vacated the belt and it was given to GGG. Canelo just has a bad track record right now and it's not a good look.

[Shape up]

Seems this puts an end to canelo can tell DANZ what to do, seems we know now who is the boss, they said Kov or GGG are the options, at this rate those 10 fights will take 10 years