Question about Mike Tyson...

**maxorido** · 07-22-2006, 01:48 AM

i agree with the first part, but we must recognize it was his fault for doing a bunch of ****** **** and putting himself in a position to go to jail. it was also his fault for slacking in the training and allowing all the yes men around him to manipulate him, and ultimately loosing to douglas. you think someone like bernard hopkins would allow this? **** no. we can't keep looking at tyson as some poor kid who was taken advantage of, he has to take responsibility for his own actions. but yes he did fight everyone he could before going to jail, accept maybe holyfield or foreman. my point is that his prime would have lasted longer if he hadn't put himself ina position to go to jail. we could have seen a bowe fight or a douglas rematch or a holyfield matchup when he was in better condition.

**Dirt E Gomez** · 07-22-2006, 01:51 AM

Losing to Douglas in 90 is his biggest problem. And not only did he lose, he lost in amazing fasion. MIke won 1 or 2 rounds at best before be knocked the **** out.

He begins his comeback, then goes to jail. When mike leaves jail and faces Holyfield he's only like 30. If you're out of your prime at 30 then there's no way you can be a great of all time... that simple. Longevity of your career means something.

**Verstyle** · 07-22-2006, 01:57 AM

mike beat ppl so easily in his prime that ppl see those same ppl as bums.

**Vanilla Gorilla** · 07-22-2006, 02:05 AM

Larry Holmes wasnt a bum, he was my grandpas age when they fought but he wasnt a bum. Michael Spinks wasnt a bum. Spinks was a great LHW champ but an undersized HW. He was afraid of Tyson and that combined with his lack of size made him a perfect opponent for Mike, but he wasnt a bum. Tyson beat some quality fighters. Razor Ruddock and Tony Tucker were not bums IMO ... But he didnt only fight bums, he beat up on some decent guys.

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**Easy-E** · 07-22-2006, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by Vanilla Gorilla

I'm neutral on this situation but I just want to clarify something or get another opinion. Many of you dont consider Mike Tyson an "all time great" am i correct? was that his fault? I know he never ducked anyone so he knocked out the best his weight class had to offer and when there wasnt anyone else, Spinks moved up to fight him. He beat all the top contenders during that time(85-92). The fact that none of them could be considered great isnt Mike's fault.

You have to recognize that at only 20, he became the youngest heavyweight champ of all time and you cant do that unless you beat some top contenders. So, he beat up the best fighters that were available for him. Lennox and Bowe werent around yet and Evander was still a rising star in the Cruiserweight division. My point is he didnt exactly have great fighters to fight when he was at his peak. Had he not gone to prison for **** maybe this question would not be asked.

The losses to Holyfield and Lewis were totally his fault.
He wins those, hes top 3 HW of all time.
I think Mike is an all time great, and probably top 10 HW.

**Easy-E** · 07-22-2006, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by Vanilla Gorilla

Larry Holmes wasnt a bum, he was my grandpas age when they fought but he wasnt a bum. Michael Spinks wasnt a bum. Spinks was a great LHW champ but an undersized HW. He was afraid of Tyson and that combined with his lack of size made him a perfect opponent for Mike, but he wasnt a bum. Tyson beat some quality fighters. Razor Ruddock and Tony Tucker were not bums IMO ... But he didnt only fight bums, he beat up on some decent guys.

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Correct.
He beat up some quality fighters in impressive fashion.
But he never had career defining wins against great opposition.

**TheEvilSaint** · 07-22-2006, 02:09 AM

i think tyson will always be rememberd for how he fought, not who he fought or beat. he was damn near flawless in his prime. defense, speed, power, technique, stamina, he had all of it. but people will always remember his breathtaking power delivered with such awesome speed.

tyson was a helluva thing to behold. regardless of what people think he did or whatever, he will never be forgotten in the history of boxing.

**Vanilla Gorilla** · 07-22-2006, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by PBF34

Correct.
He beat up some quality fighters in impressive fashion.
But he never had career defining wins against great opposition.

thats what i mean. He fought what the div had to offer at that time. I honestly think even if he had not gone to prison he probably still would have been successful in destroying whomever was put in front of him.

**Verstyle** · 07-22-2006, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by Vanilla Gorilla

thats what i mean. He fought what the div had to offer at that time. I honestly think even if he had not gone to prison he probably still would have been successful in destroying whomever was put in front of him.

actually no. the tyson that fought ruddock would of lost in my opinion to holyfield.cause he jus tried for 1 bombs

Question about Mike Tyson...