Why do people rate Canelo's resume so high, even relative to GGG's?

[New England]

How do you guys feel about Mundine KOing Mosley at 154 pounds shortly after Mosley's fight with Canelo? Genuinely curious.

mosley had wins over real 154 lbers and was a genuinely great fighter at one time. still waiting on what 2 year inactive vanes did to make you think he was A: not all done, and B: ever any good to begin with. keep in mind that shane mosley was literally on the pound for pound list 2 years before the alvarez fight, and actually fought the 2 years prior. in the same amount of time vanes fought nobody.

and he signed very late to fight as well, if you remember. he literally had only a couple of weeks to make weight. so you can insist that an inactive, faded nobody on 2 weeks notice is a better win than a faded but very active, former hall of famer shane mosley. FFS the guy went from the couch into the ring on 2-3 weeks notice!

[Boxing_1013]

do you have no friends on this forum?
someone needs to stop you from doing this to your self...
it was kind of fun during the first pages, but now is getting ugly...

Dude lol...no offense...there are a few posters I really like on here...but if you are on this site to make friends...I mean what are you doing.

I get on this site because it is the best aggregator imo of boxing news...it is also I would say one of the two or three worst sites I have been to as far as off base fan opinions.

Unfortunately the site is dominated by really pro Canelo fans...and also other people who generally just want to support 'their' guy regardless of what actually happens in the ring.

I do like to talk boxing though...and at times will try to hold a mirror up to the face for some people to try and perhaps expose some personal biases they may have.

I know honestly that is REALLY hard for some people though...some people really have their self-worth tied up in certain fighters doing well or not doing well...so expecting them to keep it pretty real is tall order.

But yeah I'd say 1/10 or so posters on here is intellectually honest...even if I don't agree with them all the time...the other 90% are just fanatics rooting for or against their guy...not really my cup of tea...let the best man win and judge him accordingly.

[icha]

Dude lol...no offense...there are a few posters I really like on here...but if you are on this site to make friends...I mean what are you doing.

I get on this site because it is the best aggregator imo of boxing news...it is also I would say one of the two or three worst sites I have been to as far as off base fan opinions.

Unfortunately the site is dominated by really pro Canelo fans...and also other people who generally just want to support 'their' guy regardless of what actually happens in the ring.

I do like to talk boxing though...and at times will try to hold a mirror up to the face for some people to try and perhaps expose some personal biases they may have.

I know honestly that is REALLY hard for some people though...some people really have their self-worth tied up in certain fighters doing well or not doing well...so expecting them to keep it pretty real is tall order.

But yeah I'd say 1/10 or so posters on here is intellectually honest...even if I don't agree with them all the time...the other 90% are just fanatics rooting for or against their guy...not really my cup of tea...let the best man win and judge him accordingly.

ok man... if you want to keep digging, keep digging, it's your choice...

[Boxing_1013]

ok man... if you want to keep digging, keep digging, it's your choice...

Eventually some of you may see the light Has to be tough pretending stuff is true just because you want it to be

[ruedboy]

Dude I have yet to really see a coherent neutral argument for why Canelo's resume is so good and GGG's so bad...if you base a thread by fan comments defending their favorite fighter at all costs, then I guess you can see it that way? lol...idk I just haven't really seen any impartial points to prove my points wrong att

Open your eyes amigo! We know the top guys Alvarez has edged out in close decisions like Lara, GGG and Jacobs so lets look at some lesser known former champs. Ok the first (future) champ was Vazquez,in a 4 round SD win. 4rds?? (Wait, it does get better.)
Canelo goes on to beat 2 former champs, Baldomire and N'Dou, yeah, they were both 39 but remember the operative word is former
Cintron was next to fall, sure he was a bit faded from his glory(?) days but he used to be champ, right.
At 42 senior citizen Sugar Shane was next and add the cream of British Boxing champs like Khan, Smith and Fielding and you have an impressive list of former champs.
Sh/t, I forgot Miguel (Well he was kind of forgettable as a MW champ, but he did beat the 1 legged guy for the title)
Damm ,I almost missed Chavez Jr, (understandable though, Jr. looking as skinny as he did when they fought) No missing Jr's status as a former champ and another victim of the Great One.
Maybe most of them were bit faded and a little the worse for wear. Sure a few were less than championship caliber, but all of them were champs in my book. Viva Mexico!! :-)

[Boxing_1013]

mosley had wins over real 154 lbers and was a genuinely great fighter at one time. still waiting on what 2 year inactive vanes did to make you think he was A: not all done, and B: ever any good to begin with. keep in mind that shane mosley was literally on the pound for pound list 2 years before the alvarez fight, and actually fought the 2 years prior. in the same amount of time vanes fought nobody.

and he signed very late to fight as well, if you remember. he literally had only a couple of weeks to make weight. so you can insist that an inactive, faded nobody on 2 weeks notice is a better win than a faded but very active, former hall of famer shane mosley. FFS the guy went from the couch into the ring on 2-3 weeks notice!

Lol...man I just try to call it like I see it honestly.

And some of this is just semantics imo...someone could view Mosley as a good win for Canelo...and Vanes could be an OK win for GGG in some people's eyes...that's fine...in truth I would have Mosley right there at the top of the OK win list for Canelo...and Vanes would be the last 'good' win for GGG...I certainly don't list that as a top 10 win for GGG.

But yeah I was impressed with how quickly GGG did his job...as I've said before, I don't think Vanes was washed...it's not like age was an issue for him there...the inactivity couldn't have helped of course...I also viewed him about the same level as the top guys at 154 - Andrade Charlo and Lara.

And he more or less proved that in the ring ya know...that's not really my opinion...most people would certainly acknowledge that I would think...yes he was inactive and moving up, that is to be acknowledged here as well.

And yeah I think the bigger issue for Vanes was style wise it was a good matchup for GGG...and weight wise it wasn't ideal for Vanes...GGG has shown basically his whole career that if you can't hang with him physically you will be going out quickly.

Yes...at their peaks Mosley was significantly better than Vanes...I don't think Mosley was close to his best vs Canelo, and was also fighting at not his best weight...that is my opinion...I think Vanes physically looked fine with no real ring rust vs GGG...I think it was the weight/style/matchup that was a problem...but I still was impressed with how effectively GGG did his job and ended the fight...just my opinion.

All I can say I guess is if GGG went 12 rounds with Martinez or Cotto at 160 at the end of their careers...I would not really be impressed with it...I am at least consistent in my criteria btw...I rate Fielding as a good win, not because he was a great fighter...but because Canelo did was he was supposed to do...if a guy is much inferior to you and you are a power puncher at all...I expect you to end it.

If Canelo did that to Vanes I would say it was a good win...not really anything to write home about but I would be impressed the same way I was with the Fielding fight...if GGG went 12 with Mosley at that time, and weight was not a factor at all, I would not be impressed...all I can say I guess...but overall they aren't much different type of wins imo.

[Boxing_1013]

Open your eyes amigo! We know the top guys Alvarez has edged out in close decisions like Lara, GGG and Jacobs so lets look at some lesser known former champs. Ok the first (future) champ was Vazquez,in a 4 round SD win. 4rds?? (Wait, it does get better.)
Canelo goes on to beat 2 former champs, Baldomire and N'Dou, yeah, they were both 39 but remember the operative word is former
Cintron was next to fall, sure he was a bit faded from his glory(?) days but he used to be champ, right.
At 42 senior citizen Sugar Shane was next and add the cream of British Boxing champs like Khan, Smith and Fielding and you have an impressive list of former champs.
Sh/t, I forgot Miguel (Well he was kind of forgettable as a MW champ, but he did beat the 1 legged guy for the title)
Maybe most of them were bit faded and a little the worse for wear. Sure a few were less than championship caliber, but all of them were champs in my book. Viva Mexico!! :-)

Lol...hard to argue with that analysis my friend I like it

[aboutfkntime]

Dude I have yet to really see a coherent neutral argument for why Canelo's resume is so good and GGG's so bad.

this is why Canelo's resume is better than Golovkin's.....

I will not discuss mediocrity... only excellence

Golovkin simply does not have 10 wins worth mentioning

when discussing supposedly elite fighters, it is only necessary to consider world-class opponents... there is no need to count scrubs

scrub-counting is for casuals, and for Golovkin fans

the measure is... how high is the ceiling, not... how low is the floor

Golovkin.....
- Jacobs *
- Murray

unlike most, I will not include Lemieux... because he is not a genuine world-class fighter

while some may argue that Martin Murray was not a genuine world-class fighter, there were genuine world-class elements to his game

I actually think that Murray was MORE than just a " good " win..... and like I said earlier..... good wins, and below, do not really matter..... because we are not discussing "good", we are discussing "better than good"..... Murray was a very good win imo, so I will include him

just trying to be fair... or at least honest, with my opinions

perhaps you should be more honest... because your ranking and praise of some of the scrubs that G fought was quite frankly a little ridiculous... you definitely should not have mentioned Vanes LMAO

Canelo.....
- Golovkin
- Cotto
- Mosley
- Lara*
- Trout
- Jacobs

FOUR of those guys are BETTER than anyone on Golovkin's resume... TWO of those guys are better than Golovkin himself... so like a number of posters have already pointed out, this really is a silly discussion

also...

Canelo's 2nd-tier opponents are also slightly better than Golovkin's 2nd-tier opponents... although Golovkin likely fought more of them

the best are probably...

Canelo.....
- Chavez
- Kirkland
- Angulo
- Cintron

Golovkin.....
- Lemieux
- Geale
- Rubio
- Monroe
- Macklin

and NO, I will not mention welterweight opponents when discussing the resume of a middleweight... for EITHER of those guys

this is why G is horribly over-rated, especially by you casuals

1) he made a bunch of silly excuses to avoid Sergio Mora in a showcase on HBO, preferring instead to fight a NO-HOPER in Monaco on free-TV

Mora was an ex-champ who had clearly faded, which is the ideal opponent for a young fighter attempting to establish himself on the world-stage..... boxing has always worked that way.....

NOT saying that Golovkin could not have beaten Mora, just that the Latin Snake is a known mover/spoiler who is notoriously difficult to look good against..... and they were not willing to risk failing to put Mora away, looking bad in the process, or..... worse

when I heard Loeffler stuttering and stammering his way through half-a-dozen silly excuses, I knew what was up..... that was ridiculous..... because insisting that someone is irrelevant, and not a draw..... only works if you fight someone relevant who IS a draw..... not an unknown NO-HOPER on free TV who is WORSE

missing opportunities like that, and with guys like Cotto..... is why Golovkin only has 97k fans..... he needed those type of fights

2) they did the exact same thing to Lara and Ward, who are both also known mover/spoilers who are notoriously difficult to look good against.....

Lara would have been Golovkin's best opponent to date at that point..... and once again, insisting that someone is irrelevant, and not a draw..... only works if you fight someone relevant who IS a draw..... not guys like Willie Monroe, Wade, Brook, etc.....

3) Ward..... they promised to fight Ward at 168..... a) they killed the fight in June 2015 by demanding a catchweight they knew would kill the fight..... b) in September 2015 they refused that fight in 36 minutes flat

4) the superstar Cotto, should have been the ultimate goal of every fighter from 140-160..... at that point in time, Cotto was the very best option, because May/Pac were totally unrealistic and never going to happen

Mr " anyone from 154-168 " totally refusing to negotiate on weight with the little old faded SUPERSTAR Miguel Cotto..... is the 2nd most bizarre occurrence within boxing that I have witnessed within the last decade

I cannot believe how little was spoken about that situation, both from the media and from the fans..... totally bizarre..... every other fighter from 140-160 would have cut off one of his fingers for that fight, and yet Golovkin would not so much as lift his little finger to make that fight, totally refusing to drop a single pound to fight the 153lb superstar

then a few months after refusing to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo..... Golovkin threw up his hands in frustration and claimed that he was willing and able to fight at 154 but nobody would step up..... WTF???

those are the exact type of fights that Golovkin should have taken

5) they specifically promised to fight Canelo at 154..... but as above, when shht got real they tucked tail and ran from that fight..... and just like above, 6 months after refusing to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo, Golovkin threw up his hands in frustration and claimed that he was willing and able to fight at 154, but nobody would step up.....



6) Derevyanchenko - and Golovkin got stripped

7) Saunders..... why the fcuk would Golovkin select a total NO-HOPER in Vanes, when Saunders was running around with his "dream"..... calling him Pvssy-Borat.,.... and offering to fight him in June???

a unification > a mando, so Golovkin would not have been stripped for refusing to fight Derevyanchenko..... instead, Golovkin avoided TWO threats, selected an inactive JMW, and got stripped for his troubles in the process.....

the very second that Saunders said he was available, there was no other fight to make..... Munguia, Spike, and Vanes..... should never have been mentioned

..... come on, that is the 3rd most bizarre situation within the sport of boxing that I have ever witnessed..... two of those situations being created by Golovkin

8) Charlo - they said that fight " made no sense "

9) Andrade - they said that fight " made no sense "

if you think all of that happened by coincidence, you are a fkn dreamer

stop licking Golovkin's sack and then expecting old school fans to applaud you for it..... MANY established journalists have said the exact same thing..... which is why you should have smartened up

[aboutfkntime]

I do like to talk boxing though.....

I think you are probably the biggest fool I have ever met

this is your legacy..... just in this thread alone.....



thinks that Golovkin has a better resume than Canelo.....

I just made a thread about specifically why people rate Canelo's resume as better than GGG's...and I laid out my case as to why I rate GGG's better.....
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=820918

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thinks that one of the " killers " on Golovkin's resume could have beaten Canelo.... but he will not say which one LMAO

I don't think Canelo would have gotten all of his guys out by KO and maybe would not have 'won' all of them.....
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...820918&page=10

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thinks that Murray Lemieux and Vanes, are better wins for Golovkin..... than Lara Cotto and Mosley were, for Canelo.....

Canelo's top wins would be Lara..Jacobs and Cotto imo...GGG's would be Jacobs, Murray and Lemieux...I don't see a ton of separation there..... winning 7-5 vs a great Lara...and going 12 with a shot fat Cotto...is not imo better than 8 Round destruction of Lemieux...and 11 round destruction of Murray..... Vanes was inactive and moving up in weight...but he wasn't shot like SSM more or less was.....
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...820918&page=16

[SCTrumpster79]

ignore the shlt-talking muppet

he stated that Canelo could have lost to the " killers " on lil'G resume..... so I asked him which one of those "killers" could have beaten Canelo..... but, *crickets*

he stated that Lemieux and Murray are better than Cotto and Lara

then, when I replied to his " top 10 " question..... more, *crickets*

check out my sig

this was my reply to his " top 10 " question..... but, *crickets*

God Damn this dude is out his
F---ing mind. That's about all I can say on that.