All these names being thrown about, but where is M.Cotto?

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  • Hous
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    #11
    Originally posted by amagnin
    Cotto is definitely not staying at 140. If you looked at him during the fight with Malignaggi he looked like Castillo at his weight in...emaciated. He may experience problems with his chin at 147 although there is no evidence of this (Torres is a big puncher), but he would die continuing to try and make weight at 140. He should be managed carefully and take on a tough opponent but not too tough. I would target one of the up and comers at 147 like Williams or Quintana. Those fights are dangerous, but I think Cotto could win. Against Margarito he could go the way of Cintron and I don't think this is the right time for a fight against Floyd or Hatton. He could definitely go with a title fight against the winner of Baldomir-Gatti, but Hatton may be taking this opportunity.
    Cotto didnt take the feather fisted Malignaggi blows with ease as anyone should from Malignaggi. Malignaggi fought in a style he knew he was weak at and still made Cotto have a difficult evening.

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    • amagnin
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      #12
      Originally posted by Lizard King
      Cotto didnt take the feather fisted Malignaggi blows with ease as anyone should from Malignaggi. Malignaggi fought in a style he knew he was weak at and still made Cotto have a difficult evening.
      And I believe a large part of his problem was the drain from making weight at 140. That is why it is imperative that he move up to 147. I am not saying that he has a great chin, but it is average. Torres is a big puncher by anybody's standards and he landed shots on Cotto that fazed him but didn't KO him. Plus nobody is a perfect fighter...Cotto may not have the best chin or defense but his body punching is vicious and his power is very good (ask Paulie).

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      • Hous
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        #13
        Originally posted by amagnin
        And I believe a large part of his problem was the drain from making weight at 140. That is why it is imperative that he move up to 147. I am not saying that he has a great chin, but it is average. Torres is a big puncher by anybody's standards and he landed shots on Cotto that fazed him but didn't KO him. Plus nobody is a perfect fighter...Cotto may not have the best chin or defense but his body punching is vicious and his power is very good (ask Paulie).
        His power must have been off when he face Malignaggi because he only KDed a outboxer who was forced to be a inboxer one time. Cotto is a hugely entertaining fighter and even if I disagree with him over the way his Malignaggi fight went I still like the guy. I like Cotto much the same way I like Gatti in his entertainment value, not as a superior boxer in the ring. Cotto has a large flaw in his weak chin, hes been rocked by more than just Torres, and his horrible feet chin movement + bad defense.

        DeMarcus Corley who is anything but a power puncher had Cotto staggering around the ring.
        Last edited by Hous; 07-21-2006, 02:43 PM.

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        • amagnin
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          #14
          Originally posted by Lizard King
          His power must have been off when he face Malignaggi because he only KDed a outboxer who was forced to be a inboxer one time. Cotto is a hugely entertaining fighter and even if I disagree with him over the way his Malignaggi fight went I still like the guy. I like Cotto much the same way I like Gatti in his entertainment value, not as a superior boxer in the ring. Cotto has a large flaw in his weak chin, hes been rocked by more than just Torres, and his horrible feet chin movement + bad defense.

          DeMarcus Corley who is anything but a power puncher had Cotto staggering around the ring.
          I wouldn't say Corley is a weak puncher. He had Floyd stunned as well and I have only seen Floyd stunned one other time in his career (against Judah). Plus Cotto was stumbling around the ring but he still won the fight by KO. I see your comparison to Gatti but Cotto is much more skilled.

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          • DLT
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            #15
            Floyd is a skilled slick boxer with great defense and when you have that then you can fight at different weights but you just dont know about these other guys like Cotto, Hatton, & Margarito because they depend on there size advantage and power and when they move up they arent no bigger then everyone else.

            Sometimes they fight better because they were struggling to make weight and sometimes they get killed because all they had going for them was there size advantage. We wont know about Cotto until he fights at that weight

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              #16
              Originally posted by raysan
              what light puncher has he had problems against, if youre talking about Torres, go check out his KO ratio.
              i'm refering to paulie and chop Chop
              Last edited by TheGreat1; 07-21-2006, 03:00 PM.

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                #17
                Originally posted by DLT
                Floyd is a skilled slick boxer with great defense and when you have that then you can fight at different weights but you just dont know about these other guys like Cotto, Hatton, & Margarito because they depend on there size advantage and power and when they move up they arent no bigger then everyone else.

                Sometimes they fight better because they were struggling to make weight and sometimes they get killed because all they had going for them was there size advantage. We wont know about Cotto until he fights at that weight
                Very fair assessment. It remains to be seen, but I think Cotto's power carries him. If you can break bones in somebody's face, the extra weight won't dampen a punch like that all too much.

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                • Left2body
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by TheGreat1
                  i'm refering to pauly and chop Chop
                  Chop Chop did rock him with a good punch. But that was the only time Chop Chop hurt him, and Chop was dominated every other round of the fight.

                  Paulie rocked Cott? Your wrong here I didn't see any point where Cotto looked like he was rocked.

                  I also think that Cotto has faced good competition that was getting steadily tougher upto his fight with Paulie. I think that his last fight should've been the one where he stepped up the competition to the elite level and went against an Elite.

                  However I wouldn't call Cotto protected he has faced very good competition so far and is still young. Hatton's first 26 fights were not as tough as Cotto's and Hatton is still taking on lower tier fighters such as Urkal.

                  I think it is appropriate to criticize Cotto some what but its more appropriate to criticize the entire welterweight division as a whole. This division has the deepest talent pool yet its top fighters manage to avoid colliding with each other. I mean what the HELL are all the managers at welterweight Ex-AirTraffic controllers?

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                  • blockhead
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                    #19
                    i think cotto needs more easy fights. he is still pretty green and has a chance to be a really good boxer. but i think it would be disaster if he lost at this point in his career so he should play it safe for a couple more fights.

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                    • insaneboxingfan
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Left2body
                      Chop Chop did rock him with a good punch. But that was the only time Chop Chop hurt him, and Chop was dominated every other round of the fight.

                      Paulie rocked Cott? Your wrong here I didn't see any point where Cotto looked like he was rocked.

                      I also think that Cotto has faced good competition that was getting steadily tougher upto his fight with Paulie. I think that his last fight should've been the one where he stepped up the competition to the elite level and went against an Elite.

                      However I wouldn't call Cotto protected he has faced very good competition so far and is still young. Hatton's first 26 fights were not as tough as Cotto's and Hatton is still taking on lower tier fighters such as Urkal.

                      I think it is appropriate to criticize Cotto some what but its more appropriate to criticize the entire welterweight division as a whole. This division has the deepest talent pool yet its top fighters manage to avoid colliding with each other. I mean what the HELL are all the managers at welterweight Ex-AirTraffic controllers?
                      I totally agree with you... cotto has definitely faced real opposition as opposed to alot of these other paper thin posers in the division. Let's keep it 100% on here. there was no time that Paulie rocked cotto in that fight. may be after cotto hurt his hand paulie might have won a few rounds. But at no time did cotto look like he was in trouble. if Gatti get's in there with cotto he's history. and if baldy can get by arturo. he may have a fighting chance with cotto. But a very very slim one.

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