how do you think Sergio Martinez would be doing in the MW division today?

[moltres.]

It’s understandable. It’s HBO nostalgia. No version of Martinez, including “Prime,” beats Canelo from 2013+, let alone against a Prime Canelo. Cotto had the highest Ring IQ from all of Martinez’s opponents.

Martinez was waaaaaay past his prime when he fought cotto, dude could just about walk but he started late and had to make some money before retiring.

cotto lost to trout which is laughable. in 2009, sergio would beat them both.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Martinez was waaaaaay past his prime when he fought cotto, dude could just about walk but he started late and had to make some money before retiring.

cotto lost to trout which is laughable. in 2009, sergio would beat them both.

Sure. But to be fair. Many don’t want to admit, but Cotto took a beating from Canelo. It’s one of my favorite fights. When Cotto fought Kamegai and Sadam Ali he just wasn’t really the Cotto before Canelo.

[_Maxi]

Nah . He probably didn't know Martinez had his first L to Margarito.
Which is why I put " hopeful Boxrecs not needed ).

When I said "he" I meant Sergio. Read it on an interview.

[Scopedog]

Nah . He probably didn't know Martinez had his first L to Margarito.
Which is why I put " hopeful Boxrecs not needed ).

I was aware of it, although I’ve not seen the fight or anything and I wouldn’t have known exactly what year without boxrec, true. Margarito was a really strong competitor at WW (putting whether he was cheating or not aside) so I can’t dock him too many points for that, especially considering that surely wasn’t his best weight, and those weren’t really his prime years, he didn’t really reach his peak until later. When I was referring to him in his prime I meant more around between him beating Kelly Pavlik and him beating JCC jr, so between 2010 and 2012 or so. It was a short prime but a really strong one. I don’t know if that Martínez would definitely beat today’s versions of Canelo or Golovkin but I wouldn’t rule it out either.

[Idunnoshet]

I was aware of it, although I’ve not seen the fight or anything and I wouldn’t have known exactly what year without boxrec, true. Margarito was a really strong competitor at WW (putting whether he was cheating or not aside) so I can’t dock him too many points for that, especially considering that surely wasn’t his best weight, and those weren’t really his prime years, he didn’t really reach his peak until later. When I was referring to him in his prime I meant more around between him beating Kelly Pavlik and him beating JCC jr, so between 2010 and 2012 or so. It was a short prime but a really strong one. I don’t know if that Martínez would definitely beat today’s versions of Canelo or Golovkin but I wouldn’t rule it out either.

Fair enough .
Margarito was a big strong WW and Martinez did have an impressive run later in his career .
IMO there is still No version of Martinez that beats Canelo or Golovkin.

[Idunnoshet]

When I said "he" I meant Sergio. Read it on an interview.

Did he really ?
It's kind of a cop out though .
Any Margarito victim can claim that after the fact .

[SN!PER]

The version of Sergio that Margarito beat was very green.

Margarito been in the pro game since 1994, so he was already a 6-year veteran at the time, which is a big advantage in experience against a 2-year rookie who had only been fighting against bums in Argentina.

The Sergio that knocked out Paul Williams 10 years later was a completely different fighter.

He was a slick, sharp southpaw that held his own against any middleweight.

[FinitoxDinamita]

He would be a titlist but far from dominant.

[creekrat77]

Canelo decisions Sergio. Golovkin stops him. When Sergio was on his way out, he gave his opinion on Golovkin saying his boxing ability was off the charts

[danceswithfire]

both GGG and canelo knock his ass out

sergio literally avoided GGG by the way