Comments Thread For: Pacquiao-Thurman: No VADA Testing In Place for July 20 PPV Event

[thesmokingman]

FALSE. He notified them AFTER he took the IV. Mayweather notified them BEFORE the IV. Even Hauser had to admit that this was how it went down. Come on man. I was not all over the place. I'm very aware of how this all went down and how this all works. It was you that came in like a know it all and found out you had no idea what you were talking about.



FALSE. First of all, Mayweather Promotions paid for the drug testing, just like Top Rank pays for the testing when Pacquiao had testing, but I don't hear anyone complaining about that.

And I also didn't hear anyone complaining about USADA when Pacquiao was considering using them for the Rios fight, but that's another story I suppose.

But as for your false statements above:

1. Of course USADA has authority to issue a retroactive TUE. The ONLY reason that Mayweather needed a TUE is because of WADA's rules. If USADA wasn't bound by WADA's rules, there would be no need for the TUE point blank period. And a retroactive TUE has been a standard part of the WADA protocol far before this fight.

Did De La Hoya need a TUE for his IV use against Pac? Hmmm.

2. And you are WAY OFF about an approved IV needing to be 50ml or less. And you wanted to tell me I don't know about this???? You don't need a TUE if the IV for saline is 50ml or below. If you have a TUE approved by USADA, then you are allowed to go above 50ml.

By the way, do you know what 50ml looks like???? I'm not sure what the hell you can cure with 50ml of saline solution. Like I mentioned, 750ml is less than what you would get in a standard IV bag. Usually a person is given at least 1000ml.



Um, no I didn't ask that. YOU were the one who mentioned it being the night before. Again, you have some reading issues. Now tell me....when does a boxer usually rehydrate before a fight. Would that be...the night before the fight????

What was the IV for? Rehydration, right? Come on. Let's see if you can put this together. When you do, you'll see who is dumb as rocks.



Dude, I don't even need to use USADA's side of things. You came back with NOTHING regarding any of my questions to you. And the questions were not based on USADA's statement. I only used USADA's statement to back up everything that I said. Mainly that:

1. The independent lab will send all test results to WADA. Exactly what I said and Exactly what was proven.

2. USADA does indeed contact the athletic commissions. We know that they contacted the NSAC in Mayweather/Pacquiao's case. They also contacted NYSAC regarding Morales. So sorry, I don't need to rely on USADA's statement, which by the way is much better than Hauser's statement since Hauser apparently can't even do highschool math and got tore a new arsehole by USADA.

Still doesn't change the fact that you haven't even dared to tell me how your little conspiracy theory would work. I'm still waiting for that laugh.




You are telling complete lies, claiming that you know what you are talking about when you've been proven to not know shlt about this, and making claims based on ABSOLUTELY NOTHING while I have give you FACTS.

Here they are again in case you are confused.

Fact 1: The WADA labs send ALL test results to WADA. So how the hell is USADA hiding positive results? Do you hide things from your boss and the rest of the word by.....telling your boss (WADA) about it. Makes sense to you?

Fact 2: USADA does inform state commissions about testing.

Fact 3: A spokesperson from WADA said that a retro TUE for IV rehydration would be allowed according to WADA's rules.

Fact 4: An IV could mask a urine test by dilution. All urine samples are checked for dilution by USADA's doping control officer (who is REQUIRED to get an UNDILUTED sample), and then the sample is sent to the independent lab, that also checks the sample to ensure it is not diluted.


If you'd like to say any of the above facts are false, then let's discuss and see who is right.


So yea, I think YOU should give it a rest when you've come with absolutely nothing, came trying to attack me but instead found out everything I said was accurate and then you dropped it and went with the old...."but but but...I know he's cheating...I just have no proof except that the promoter paid for the testing like promoters always do." When you get some solid evidence and explain how this conspiracy theory makes any gottdamn sense at all, you let me know.

Because anyone with a damn brain knows that if you help someone cheat with an undetectable substance (saline solution), you don't need to make a damn paper trail of what you did illegal. That's moronic...but those of you who believe in these type of fairytales simply aren't very bright.

Christ, you are so far gone with your agenda. Again just about everything you wrote is BS.

You are making **** up all over the place. You write in a rambling moronic way that makes it hard even for me to follow. I'm gonna run thru points 1-2 real quick.

1. You lie again. USADA has no authority to issue TUE. It's the sanctioning body that issues TUEs dumbass and that would be NSAC.
2. IV use is expressly banned in all cases. If you have a TUE for IV use, you'd still have follow the IV use rules, be in a medical facility under doctors care and stay under 50ml/hr. Clearly you have not actually read the WADA protocol. No surprise there.

Oh and regarding BJ Penn, stop the BS. You wrote that he was banned because he didn't tell or notify them of it. Now you're saying crap like he did it then notified them after, which is why he was penalized. Hey moron, it doesn't matter. He did it. He told them and got banned. The point isn't whether he told them or not. It's a banned procedure period. Get it?

The rest of that horseshat is well obvious, drivel. Hell, you don't even understand that blood bleaching with IV use is for the blood not urine, lol.

This youtube icon should say it all.

[travestyny]

Christ, you are so far gone with your agenda. Again just about everything you wrote is BS.

You are making **** up all over the place. You write in a rambling moronic way that makes it hard even for me to follow. I'm gonna run thru points 1-2 real quick.

1. You lie again. USADA has no authority to issue TUE. It's the sanctioning body that issues TUEs dumbass and that would be NSAC.

Well let me help you out with other people's words, dumbass. Here you are.


From WADA's website:

1. WHAT IS A THE****UTIC USE EXEMPTION (TUE)? UP
Athletes, like all people, may have illnesses or conditions that require them to take particular medications or undergo procedures. If the medication or method an athlete requires to treat an illness or condition happens to fall under the Prohibited List, a The****utic Use Exemption (TUE) may give that athlete the authorization to take the needed medicine or method. TUEs are granted according the International Standard for TUEs (ISTUE), a document outlining the conditions, the stakeholder responsibilities and the TUE process.

Now why don't you try answering some fvvcking questions so we can find out who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't.


1. Did the NSAC have a rule against IV's as the time of the Mayweather fight???

2. Did De La Hoya need a TUE for his IV vs. Pacquiao.


When you answer those questions, you'll realize you are a moron. ANSWER THEM.

2. IV use is expressly banned in all cases. If you have a TUE for IV use, you'd still have follow the IV use rules, be in a medical facility under doctors care and stay under 50ml/hr. Clearly you have not actually read the WADA protocol. No surprise there.

LMAOOOOOO. Dude. Shut your dumb ass up. You have no idea what the fvvck you are talking about. So you need to be in a medical facility and be under 50ml even if you have a TUE, right?


Right?


Not according to this, clown. Again, directly from WADA.

You do know what a greater than sign is, right? Let me see. Does that say not given during a hospital admission? Does that say > 50ml. Again, that's a greater than sign, right?


Are you ready to cry uncle yet, dumbass?

Oh and regarding BJ Penn, stop the BS. You wrote that he was banned because he didn't tell or notify them of it. Now you're saying crap like he did it then notified them after, which is why he was penalized.

You idiot. He didn't tell them about it before he had it. That's exactly why he was bagged on it. The fvvck are you thinking? That if he told them about it after having already taken it, he should be let off the hook.

You really are fvvcking slow. Did you get your GED yet?

Hey moron, it doesn't matter. He did it. He told them and got banned. The point isn't whether he told them or not. It's a banned procedure period. Get it?

No, you fvvccking moron. Because if he had told them that he needed one BEFORE he had it, they could have monitored it and made sure everything was on the up and up. The same exact way they did with the MMA guy who needed an IV and had one at the venue of the fvvcking weigh-in.

Yes. NOT in a hospital. At the venue of the weigh-in. USADA was present and witnessed his condition. And he had 2 IV bags...way over 50ml.

Don't believe me?

The IV administered to McCall did not contain a banned substance. However, it surpassed the 50mL per six-hour period rule, which would typically be an infraction resulting in a suspension. But as USADA revealed today in a press release, McCall went through the proper channels for a retroactive TUE and was cleared of any wrongdoing.

https://mmajunkie.com/2017/06/ian-mccall-granted-retroactive-the****utic-exemption-by-usada-after-ufc-208-iv-use

And wasn't it you saying that they are doing everything on the up and up with the UFC?

Congratulations. You've managed to embarrass yourself again. Or maybe it's me embarrassing you. Let's just say it's both.

The rest of that horseshat is well obvious, drivel. Hell, you don't even understand that blood bleaching with IV use is for the blood not urine, lol.

Blood bleaching????? What the fvvck are you even talking about. Who the hell mentioned anything about blood. I swear you can't read for shlt. Go get your fvcvcking GED!!!!!!!


An IV is prohibited not only for blood testing you moron. It's also prohibited because it can dilute urine. Why the fvvck would we be talking about blood when Mayweather's May 1st sample wasn't a blood sample you moron.


And still no answers to my questions. I'm still waiting for you to explain your conspiracy theory.WHy are you avoiding it



So yea, come back and tell me you were wrong. Tell me that they do everything by the book for the UFC so the rules for Ian McCall's retroactive TUE for an infusion above 50ml outside of a hospital was on point Tell me you don't have to be in a hospital and under 50 ml even with a TUE.

Come on little guy. You can do it. Say you're wrong!

[turnedup]

guy, you have literal written proof from 2 different links, both with actual quotes of people involved with negotiations, yet you still want to stick to the same story. You could check it yourself on Google and find multiple other sources with the same exact info. Had pac agreed to testing in 2009, the fight would've happened. Once it didn't happen then, other factors such as money, flat fees and other things came into play. But in 2009, pac refusing to test is what prevented the fight from happening.
As far as arum, he felt back then that pac could've beaten Floyd so he would've made the fight. Just like he did with pac a few fights before then with another one of his former fighters in delahoya.

Bro, again I am telling you that is the excuse not the reason. This fight didn't happen even before Pacquaio said no to testing...if you want to link to anything look up the start of talks about this fight. Testing didn't jump into the conversation until later in the media frenzy when Floyd made his allegations after reporters started asking him if Manny was a threat to him or better or too good. I am an outsider and loyal to neither man. So I have zero agenda. I actually hate that we had to endure six years of the bullshhh and to this day haven't bothered to watch the fight.

[thesmokingman]

Well let me help you out with other people's words, dumbass. Here you are.


From WADA's website:




Now why don't you try answering some fvvcking questions so we can find out who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't.


1. Did the NSAC have a rule against IV's as the time of the Mayweather fight???

2. Did De La Hoya need a TUE for his IV vs. Pacquiao.


When you answer those questions, you'll realize you are a moron. ANSWER THEM.



LMAOOOOOO. Dude. Shut your dumb ass up. You have no idea what the fvvck you are talking about. So you need to be in a medical facility and be under 50ml even if you have a TUE, right?


Right?


Not according to this, clown. Again, directly from WADA.

You do know what a greater than sign is, right? Let me see. Does that say not given during a hospital admission? Does that say > 50ml. Again, that's a greater than sign, right?


Are you ready to cry uncle yet, dumbass?




You idiot. He didn't tell them about it before he had it. That's exactly why he was bagged on it. The fvvck are you thinking? That if he told them about it after having already taken it, he should be let off the hook.

You really are fvvcking slow. Did you get your GED yet?




No, you fvvccking moron. Because if he had told them that he needed one BEFORE he had it, they could have monitored it and made sure everything was on the up and up. The same exact way they did with the MMA guy who needed an IV and had one at the venue of the fvvcking weigh-in.

Yes. NOT in a hospital. At the venue of the weigh-in. USADA was present and witnessed his condition. And he had 2 IV bags...way over 50ml.

Don't believe me?



And wasn't it you saying that they are doing everything on the up and up with the UFC?

Congratulations. You've managed to embarrass yourself again. Or maybe it's me embarrassing you. Let's just say it's both.




Blood bleaching????? What the fvvck are you even talking about. Who the hell mentioned anything about blood. I swear you can't read for shlt. Go get your fvcvcking GED!!!!!!!


An IV is prohibited not only for blood testing you moron. It's also prohibited because it can dilute urine. Why the fvvck would we be talking about blood when Mayweather's May 1st sample wasn't a blood sample you moron.


And still no answers to my questions. I'm still waiting for you to explain your conspiracy theory.WHy are you avoiding it



So yea, come back and tell me you were wrong. Tell me that they do everything by the book for the UFC so the rules for Ian McCall's retroactive TUE for an infusion above 50ml outside of a hospital was on point Tell me you don't have to be in a hospital and under 50 ml even with a TUE.

Come on little guy. You can do it. Say you're wrong!

Christ again you are off the mark with 100 more points in random directions. If you cannot keep your crap to a few points my gawd man, calm the **** down.


1. I'm pretty sure when Mayweather used an IV it was banned by NSAC.
2. When Hoya did it, it was allowed. Sometime after NSAC reversed their stance on IV use and banned them. Like in the case of BJ Penn.

Regarding the IV use PDF from WADA. You are confused about the turn of events. You cite the McCall case which is your downfall.

In all cases of IV use, it is banned as far as we should be concerned where the amount is 750ml/hr, period. If yer using an IV according to the rules it's a non-point as the rules of 50ml /6 hours is so slow to make it useless. Maybe you don't get that either? Anyways as in the case with Mayweather, he used the IV before he had a TUE. That makes his IV use an infraction. This is where McCall's case comes in. McCall was sick and needed medical care which overrides the WADA TUE Protocol. They tried to use this to cover Mayweather but that was a lie as he was fit enough to fight next day. What happened with McCall? According to the article you linked he's still yet to fight again and each time falling ill again and again.

Let's put this into perspective.

Ian McCall is just the second fighter in the history of the UFC-U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) partnership to be granted a retroactive the****utic use exemption (TUE).

McCall was actually ill and needed medical intervention. And here we are to believe that Mayweather was in the same/similar condition to be able to break all rules and use an IV of 750ml/hr?

Read the PDF a few more times man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdUQeRP7Psc

^^Watch the video, and tell me this guy needed an 750ml of IV in his home because he was about to die of dehydration.

And regarding the blood bleaching. You didn't read the PDF did you? Here it is quoted for reading. That said it will change one's urine composition but that is only after the saline has made it thru the filtration process excusing for my lack of knowledge of those tables. Nonetheless, IV use is banned for what it does to one's blood per WADA.

IV infusions are included on the Prohibited List mainly because some athletes could use this Prohibited Method to: a) increase their plasma volume levels; b) mask the use of a Prohibited Substance; c) distort the values of their Athlete Biological Passport.

And one last thing, stop jumping around to random points. You are doing that on purpose right to make it hard for honest people to follow and rebuff your moronic points? Really man???

[Jab jab boom]

Bro, again I am telling you that is the excuse not the reason. This fight didn't happen even before Pacquaio said no to testing...if you want to link to anything look up the start of talks about this fight. Testing didn't jump into the conversation until later in the media frenzy when Floyd made his allegations after reporters started asking him if Manny was a threat to him or better or too good. I am an outsider and loyal to neither man. So I have zero agenda. I actually hate that we had to endure six years of the bullshhh and to this day haven't bothered to watch the fight.

I agree on the fact that waiting 6 yrs was annoying as a boxing fan. I don't have any allegiance to either as well. There are parts later on in the negotiations where mayweather was to blame because he tried offering low ball offers such as the flat fee which was a lame attempt to make it seem like he wanted the fight and save face. Meanwhile pac made 3x more what thag flat fee offer was. But as someone who followed negotiations closely, I know that in 09, the fight was agreed upon, it was announced on ESPN that they've come to terms, but the hold up was the drug testing. After that, is when all the bs happened. But the fact that pac still doesn't test consistently is a joke imo and is inexcusable.

[Dosumpthin]

Christ again you are off the mark with 100 more points in random directions. If you cannot keep your crap to a few points my gawd man, calm the **** down.


1. I'm pretty sure when Mayweather used an IV it was banned by NSAC.
2. When Hoya did it, it was allowed. Sometime after NSAC reversed their stance on IV use and banned them. Like in the case of BJ Penn.

Regarding the IV use PDF from WADA. You are confused about the turn of events. You cite the McCall case which is your downfall.

In all cases of IV use, it is banned as far as we should be concerned where the amount is 750ml/hr, period. If yer using an IV according to the rules it's a non-point as the rules of 50ml /6 hours is so slow to make it useless. Maybe you don't get that either? Anyways as in the case with Mayweather, he used the IV before he had a TUE. That makes his IV use an infraction. This is where McCall's case comes in. McCall was sick and needed medical care which overrides the WADA TUE Protocol. They tried to use this to cover Mayweather but that was a lie as he was fit enough to fight next day. What happened with McCall? According to the article you linked he's still yet to fight again and each time falling ill again and again.

Let's put this into perspective.



McCall was actually ill and needed medical intervention. And here we are to believe that Mayweather was in the same/similar condition to be able to break all rules and use an IV of 750ml/hr?

Read the PDF a few more times man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdUQeRP7Psc

^^Watch the video, and tell me this guy needed an 750ml of IV in his home because he was about to die of dehydration.

And regarding the blood bleaching. You didn't read the PDF did you? Here it is quoted for reading. That said it will change one's urine composition but that is only after the saline has made it thru the filtration process excusing for my lack of knowledge of those tables. Nonetheless, IV use is banned for what it does to one's blood per WADA.




And one last thing, stop jumping around to random points. You are doing that on purpose right to make it hard for honest people to follow and rebuff your moronic points? Really man???

"pretty sure" = talking out my ass



And it's pretty obvious you dont know T.U.E. stands for Theraputic Use EXEMPTION




lol. just trying to save you some embarrassment.

[thesmokingman]

"pretty sure" = talking out my ass



And it's pretty obvious you dont know T.U.E. stands for Theraputic Use EXEMPTION




lol. just trying to save you some embarrassment.

lol yea. I was too lazy to google it cuz it's buried in so much crap. Here's a fun article blast from the past regarding IV use.

https://www.boxingscene.com/team-mcgregor-deny-iv-use-claims-made-by-floyd-mayweather--119814

[Gigantes]

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Despite fears to the contrary, Manny Pacquiao’s world title clash with Keith Thurman does have active drug testing, WBN has been informed.

Reports earlier this week led to a fans backlash against the pair of fighters for not insisting on having procedures in place.

The World Boxing Association, whose welterweight championship will be on the line, also came under fire in the gripes.

Accusations aimed at both fighters followed. Pacquiao’s representative Sean Gibbons then moved to clear things up regarding the July 20 bout.

“Nevada State Athletic Commission is using VADA style testing for Manny Pacquiao’s fight with Keith Thurman,” Gibbons exclusively told World Boxing News.

“It should also be noted that Senator Pacquiao is enrolled in the World Boxing Council / Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) 365 24/7 program,” he added.

Pacquiao is currently deep in training for the contest, to be staged at the iconic MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

Freddie Roach will once again be in the corner as the ‘Pacman’ bids to add yet another title to his haul of accolades.

ONE TIME
For Thurman, it’s the huge challenge he’s craved ever since becoming world champion. A previous best effort came against Danny Garcia in March 2017.

Since then, ‘One Time’ has only fought once. Despite this fact, the American is favored with the bookmakers.

Holding the WBA title into a fourth year, Thurman is rightly recognized as one of the best at 147. The only question mark is the fitness issue.

Notorious for his conditioning, Pacquiao will be aiming to use all his mobility to frustrate Thurman and take his championship.

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[travestyny]

Christ again you are off the mark with 100 more points in random directions. If you cannot keep your crap to a few points my gawd man, calm the **** down.


1. I'm pretty sure when Mayweather used an IV it was banned by NSAC.

FALSE.

I'm really tired of schooling you. There were entire articles written about this. Just admit that you don't know anything about what was happening here.

Does the Nevada State Athletic Commission Have a Blood Doping Loophole?

NAC 467.850 sets out Nevada’s anti-doping scheme. Interestingly while IV use is prohibited under the World Anti Doping Agency’s standards, this prohibition does not seem to be specifically adopted in Nevada.

Nevada’s regulations name a list of specific banned substances and then go on to also prohibit “Any drug identified on the most current edition of the Prohibited List published by the World Anti-Doping Agency”.

WADA’s Prohibited List essentially breaks down to two broad categories, prohibited subtances and prohibited methods. The above language (assuming “drug” = “substances”) clearly adopts WADA’s prohibited substances list. However, the language does not appear to include WADA’s prohibited methods which include things such as blood doping, IV use and gene doping.

Nevada’s peculiar regulations appear to specifically allow “injections” with NAC 467.850(3) listing “injections” that are not prohibited but simply “discouraged” and subsection 4 listing “injections” that are allowed which include saline, the substance making up the bulk of what Mayweather allegedly injected.

https://combatsportslaw.com/2015/09/09/is-pre-bout-iv-use-banned-in-nevada/

In fact, they didn't put in an IV rule until 2016

Further update October 2016 – Effective September 2016 Nevada updated their combat sports regulations including adopting WADA’s prohibited methods which close the blood-doping loophole and prohibit the use of IV for re-hydration with limited exceptions.

https://combatsportslaw.com/2015/09/09/is-pre-bout-iv-use-banned-in-nevada/

Now come back and admit you're wrong. I'm going to take out all your points one by one so you can't complain about getting lost

So were you wrong? Let me know.


--edit--

I've answered all of your post point for point, but you're trying to be slick claiming I'm jumping from point to point and writing too much. So once you come back and admit to being wrong about this, we can continue. Deal? If you aren't the type that can admit you are wrong, then there is no point continuing, because you are wrong about just about everything!

I don't want to hear any more excuses when I take you through all of this shlt for the last and final time!


I'll throw this part of my reply in, too, since it is related to what's above. Let me know when you're ready for more.

2. When Hoya did it, it was allowed. Sometime after NSAC reversed their stance on IV use and banned them. Like in the case of BJ Penn.

Yea....in 2016 like I already stated in the previous post Do you understand now?

[Spoon23]

Here's the best part to quash this fake news thread.


https://www.world boxingnews.net/2019/06/25/exclusive-manny-pacquiao-drug-testing/

“It should also be noted that Senator Pacquiao is enrolled in the World Boxing Council / Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) 365 24/7 program,” he added.


- Pac is enrolled in VADA Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency. Only a few can say they do, and that's including Pac.