Is it wrong for ESPN+Showtime to acknowledge Fury as Lineal Champion?

[The Big Dunn]

The Lineal Champion angle was built as a marketing tool to help give Tyson Fury's profile a boost in order to help build his profile among the American boxing viewing audience to sell the Wilder vs Fury fight.

This right here. ESPN and SHO know he isn't but are using it to attract casual fans.

[boliodogs]

He was lineal when he beat Wlad. He lost it when he didn't fight anyone for 2 years and 7 months and didn't fight a good opponent in Wilder for over 3 years. You don't get to stay the lineal champ if you don't defend it for over three years but just do nothing while others are winning the titles that were yours 3 plus years ago. Fury is not the lineal champ now. That title is vacant.

[boliodogs]

The consensus #1 was Joshu numbera. Ruiz is the guy that beat the guy.

Joshua was consensus 1 but never lineal and Ruiz is not lineal. Lineal must be undisputed. Wilder must be defeated before Ruiz could claim the lineal title. Fury is just a top contender and not a champion of any kind.

[davefromvancouv]

If you follow boxing's 134 year history, you'll know that Fury is the lineal champion. If you're a casual fan, or a biased fan of a particular fighter, or hate what Fury has done with the lineage after he won it, you'll say the title is vacant. Fury is the only person in the world who beat Wladimir Klitschko when Klitschko was the lineal champion, and Fury has defended that lineage four times. It has nothing to do with being undisputed, being banned, taking a temporary hiatus or who you fight after the fact. It's not represented by a regular sanctioning body belt or the RING magazine belt. It's just based on who beat the last lineal champion. Klitschko established himself as the lineal champion after Lennox Lewis officially retired in 2004, beating #3 Povetkin in 2013 after #2 Vitali's last fight, then beating #2 Pulev in 2014, a year after Vitali officially retired. Fury beat Klitschko in 2015 to become the new lineal champion.

[Robbie Barrett]

If you follow boxing's 134 year history, you'll know that Fury is the lineal champion. If you're a casual fan, or a biased fan of a particular fighter, or hate what Fury has done with the lineage after he won it, you'll say the title is vacant. Fury is the only person in the world who beat Wladimir Klitschko when Klitschko was the lineal champion, and Fury has defended that lineage four times. It has nothing to do with being undisputed, being banned, taking a temporary hiatus or who you fight after the fact. It's not represented by a regular sanctioning body belt or the RING magazine belt. It's just based on who beat the last lineal champion. Klitschko established himself as the lineal champion after Lennox Lewis officially retired in 2004, beating #3 Povetkin in 2013 after #2 Vitali's last fight, then beating #2 Pulev in 2014, a year after Vitali officially retired. Fury beat Klitschko in 2015 to become the new lineal champion.

If you follow boxing history you'd know that anytime a lineal champion claims retirement the lineal claim is vacated. That doesn't change for Fury. End of.

[davefromvancouv]

If you follow boxing history you'd know that anytime a lineal champion claims retirement the lineal claim is vacated. That doesn't change for Fury. End of.

From the person who just posted this:

The consensus #1 was Joshua. Ruiz is the guy that beat the guy.

Then says the lineal title is vacant. Here's a more reliable source that explains the heavyweight lineage:

https://www.boxingscene.com/lineage-matters-most-heavyweight--134150

[Robbie Barrett]

From the person who just posted this:



Then says the lineal title is vacant. Here's a more reliable source that explains the heavyweight lineage:

https://www.boxingscene.com/lineage-...weight--134150

What's wrong with what i posted? I didn't say Joshua was lineal.

I don't need it explaining. You do. When a fighter retires the lineage is broken.

[davefromvancouv]

What's wrong with what i posted? I didn't say Joshua was lineal.

I don't need it explaining. You do. When a fighter retires the lineage is broken.

You implied that Joshua was "the man" when he never was, as explained in the article that you probably never read. Fury is back so the lineage is his until he's beaten or until he "officially" retires.

[koolkc107]

I am fine with Fury being acknowledged as lineal.

The big problem with saying he isn't (and I get those who cite his "retirement") is that no lineal was named in his absence when there was plenty of opportunities to do so.

Since no other lineal champion was named and Fury came back and is active, he has every right to consider himself "the man who beat the man" still.

Lineal is, by definition, subjective once the actual string is broken by retirement or a fighter moving up.

Fury has every right to claim his title with no one else being named in his absence.

[Robbie Barrett]

You implied that Joshua was "the man" when he never was, as explained in the article that you probably never read. Fury is back so the lineage is his until he's beaten or until he "officially" retires.

Joshua was the consensus #1, that made him the man.


Doesn't work like that. Check your history, fighters like Mayweather didn't get lineal back after a temporary retirement. Funny you started talking about boxing history and don't know simple stuff like this.